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how many do you want lloyd? Get as many as you want from Belgium!

there are some around. There isn't a big pheasant farm in Scotland that has em for about £150. The picture there is one of a pair that I have been waiting to breed over at the Small breeds farm at Kington.

Tragopan

The main pheasant farms all use artificial incemination for best results.

no more expensive than pigeons, breedings harder though.

sort em out Chris!

eggs

why not ted, they are beautiful and great characters!

Is it down to the birds or your loft/management! Get your system right first, if your systems correct and you are consistanly a few minutes behind the winners then look at getting better birds. Average birds will still perform if the system/conditions are right. Give us a breakdown of your loft, birds, feeding methods, food fed etc etc This way members maybe able to point you in the right direction. Phil

wish I had a loft full of these!

Frillbacks

swallow

Old German Owls

we tried, i was also one of his 12!

I started a thread under strays for members to post any movements up/down/accross country etc to move birds around but don't think anybody else ever posted any travel plans! Phil

You'll have to try harder than that Chris! Lovely pair of youngsters from the Pheobe sale, thanks to Chris (Vallance), via Gangster and ChrisM, thanks all and a far better service than Amtrak! Phil

lots of links on here, http://www.nationalpigeonassociation.co.uk

the show season isn't far away either, so if you can go to some shows and have a look at breeds but also talk to breeders for information on care and requirements. Phil p.s i did post NPA show dates on here somewhere or you can find them on the NPA site.

It depends on the size of your loft and also the time you have to look after them. Phil

I know what your saying Lee. I have seen many people like yourself that have started with birds that they have been told are "good" but having no intention of doing anything with them. After a couple of years, there intersest has increased and they decide to try showing, racing etc to find what they always thought were "good" to be absolute rubbish. If you are going to start with pigeons then start with good ones, over the years I've given many birds to new starters and they have all been birds that would have stayed if space allowed and not birds that should have been disposed of. Phil

wasn't there a link recently mentioning stray catchers selling birds for resteraunt trade? There is a market for them, lead free!

this is the problem though! If you go to Germany etc and look at fancy breeds they are all to standard, fanciers keep one or two breeds and specialise they don't keep a bit of this and a bit of that! Anything that isn't up to standard doesn't go to waste, it goes in the pot. Feather merchants don't help the sport in this country at all! Sorry if I offend anybody but if it isn't bred to standard and isn't good enough to grace your own loft then eat it don't fob it off onto somebody who doesn't know what they are looking for! Phil

However you look at it, culls are culls, breeders of fancy pigeons as with any pigeons only keep the best so passing or selling on culls does nothing for the sport or the breed only to give people the option to obtain poor stock to breed poor quality birds etc etc! Sorry if they are not A1 they should be binned! Phil

Well spotted redcheqhen!

yep the pups are at Peterborough so will prob go m50, m5,m6,m1