jimmy white

"escalate the war to people who hold the big sticks ,,,and who use them,,they do it to us ,why not we to them," i understand this perfectly" me," think about it ,,

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truly, amazing things ,,pigeons

pesky things ,, these are the bother to birds on the ground,,[especialy in the bath] plenty now around ,, just shows you what the birds have to put up with,,,running the gauntlet in a race or trainer by the perigrines in the air ,,,,then hounded by sparrowhawks at home, on the ground,, hope your bird is ok bart and the others settled a bit

looks great ,, but the blue flight looks like a foreigner ;D ;D ;D well done mate

this makes hawks more valuable than people ,,,shocking,,,,,been reading bilcos post ,, makes sound sense ,,,,no reply to my e, mail ,,,YET,, i will get an answer [of sorts :-/] will post it when it arrives

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really cracking looking birds ,, seems these fancy birds are being kept more nowadays ,, must say , when you see pics of them ,, they really look good

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if you feel shes looking good ,,,,send her ,,,,,,and send me half the winnings ;D ;D ;D ;D

sent very simple e mail to rspb ,, on "contact us " "being a lifelong pigeon fancier and nature lover ,i found , to my horror that when releasing 45 pigeons at carter bar [just passed jedburgh[ a perigrine falcon attacked these birds ,, all birds were terrified and dived for cover into gorse bushes fir trees etc ,so far only 3 have returned , 1injured have you any advice for me as to avoid this in the future " would just like to see their answer :-/ :-/ :-/

yes im sure many pigeons are lost due to weather and various other things, but i honestly think that the majority of fanciers just think on " the one the hawk killed or injured" this in fact is the lesser of the trouble ,,,,,its the rest of the batch that suffer ,,the pigeons, once attacked by a perigrine , loose all their faculties, they will fly aimlessly, into trees, bushes , wires in fact anything , they loose all their wits completely and this will happen whether the batch is 20 ,,40,, or 100 ,,same outcome ,,most of the birds are injured or killed THROUGH the attack, rather than just the one that has been killed by the hawk,

QUOTED FROM THE SONG BIRD SURVEY ,,,, " THE WAY FORWARD" "SONGBIRD SURVIVAL BELEIVES THAT THERE MUST BE SENSITIVE CONTROL OF SELECTIVE PREDETOR POPULATIONS TO AID THE RECOVERY OF SONGBIRDS WHILE HABITAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE TAKING PLACE" "THE RSPB HAS BEEN SINGULARLY SUCCESSFULL IN ATTRACTING ONE MILLION MEMBERS, HOWEVER, IT CANNOT CLAIM THAT ITS ACTIONS, HAVE IN ANYWAY BEEN EFFECTIVE, IN RE-INTRODUCING SOME RAPTOR SPECIES, BUT CERTAINLY DOES NOT FIND IT CONVENIENT TO TELL MEMBERS THAT THESE PREDETARY BIRDS WILL ADD TO THE KILLING OF LITERALLY MILLIONS OF SONGBIRDS EVERY YEAR" SONGBIRD SURVIVAL WILL MEASURE ITS SUCCESS BY ITS ABILITY, WITH THE PROPER RESEARCH,TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE NEED TO LIFT THE PROTECTION GIVEN TO THOSE PREDATORS,WHOSE POPULATION HAVE INCREASED TO SUCH LEVELS, THAT THEY ARE PROOVING A THREAT TO SONG AND OTHER BIRDS" UNQUOTE, WWW.SONGBIRD-SURVIVAL.ORG.UK

excellent reading bruno,,also worth joining, or reading is the" songbird survival" at www.songbird-survival.org.uk or any queries to dawn-chorus@SONGBIRD-SURVIVAL.ORG.UK,,,this is an organisation , very much against the rspb , for their un-natural way of balancing nature,, or just look up songbird survival

the rspb ,s answer to the eagle owl,,"is their not native to britain " which has been proved wrong in some circles [see the hawks postings on sticky],,,,the eagle owl would be their only predator ,,,but the rspb are against these ,,, these birds mainly eat rabbit which are abundant , but will not tolerate any perigrine near them [both birds choose the same type nesting place],,,but off course that is true nature ,,not false which the rspb seem to want ???

with the pigeon basics permission ,, these posts will be shown to a newspaper , and possibly more?

there is a lib at hopetoun house[just on outskirts of Edinburgh] in a race flying to Cardiff this weekend "the Europa classic " this race had originally 2, 500 birds from the best pigeons all over the world ,, with around £200,000 involved from start to finish and a brand new car ,, £30,000 to the winner this weekend ,,,, the 2,500 birds have now been decimated, down to 800 due to hawk attacks in training ,,among these" lost "birds are some very valuable birds ,,,,,,,lets hope that they don't suffer any hawk attacks

entirely agree with you stuart

could anyone that has been subjected to hawk attacks ,,please post on this topic, as i shall be taking the matter further,, thank you [pics if poss ]

with due respect b,g,l, the few gamekeepers have been fined up to £10,000 for exactly this??? yet for robbing an old ladies handbag,,,community service?????? something far wrong somewhere in the law ,,,,,,which , if you dont look positive ,, this problem of hawks will finish the fancy alltogether in years to come ,, theres allready been a big decline because of this , it can only get worse

can anyone give me the direct addy of mr duncan orr-ewing of the rspb,, me thinks he needs lots of e,mails

p,s i shall be taking this matter further >

yes , unfortunately it was me that released these birds and wittnessed nothing but carnage ,,,birds hitting the ground,, flying right into gorse bushes ,trees etc ,,,it really makes me mad that the rspb are releasing these birds to breed, in fact on a notice board at the borders is a fact sheet of all wild life ,, and a picture of the perigrines which are" now breeding freely around this area" area????? all over >,,, this was one i wittnessed ,,how many have gone by without anyone seeing it happen ,,,,,,,the odds have to be the latter

thanks for the kind words lads ,, allthough these lads have told me it wasnt my fault ,, i feel so helpless in , this hapening ,, just hope some birds can gather their wits and return,, i sure hope so

well done pete,,,,,just enjoy your win :) ive seen this happen many times b4 ,,,good luck to you