these birds will make excellent pigeons ,, trained young ,, installed in their head whilst young , i think tammy making a bit of a meal of this its common sense ,, that if youve plenty yb,s left ,, the idea would be termed [as trying to lose them] but in reality , theres no way you want to lose them,, you would only take more of a chance with them, and push them harder,,,, try to keep them,, and youll lose them ,, take a chance and go for it and you dont seem to ,, finish up with better birds ,,,,bet stu wont lose them so easy now and bet he knows it too