to me, in the first pic,, it looks like its just thrown its first flight,,[[too much of a step , between secondary and primary ,, but hard to tell in pic,, if this was the case ,,ideal for racing ,, the second pic ,, the bird has def has just 4 flights to moult , so should be past its best ,, but with pigeons anything poss so it would depend on their condition and training etc ,[also on the body moult], but the best of luck batusai,as mr bramling said it [in the first pic] may have 3 flights to go,but would be easier to tell with the bird in the hand [look in between the gap in the first pics flights between the secondry and primary , if theres a flight pipping through , its just cast its first flight , if not,,and it has 3 flights to go,and if so, its a really big" step in the flights" bigger than usual
batusai ,, im also wondering if these pics were taken recently