Delboy

Sound like lack of something, give them all grits, minerals and pickstones/clay blocks.If they still field then let a firework off as soon as the birds land on the field. Be there waiting for them.Sounds a wee bit radical, but it works.

Dannys get a 9 hour haul fae Kelso

Is 2 x 5 hour races as good as a 9 hour race?? Some have proved it is.

8-9 hours on the wing is a better conditioner

Knowledge is great for a new start

If its just laid,get a calcium and a vit b tablet over its mouth, repeat 3 days.

I had a cracking cock that was 5th west section yb national and helped me win the SNFC averages.The birds are always kept in after the yb nat and usually get out around April.The first time they got out he was killed by percy 10 feet above the loft.I watched percy fly away with him plucking all the feathers from his back, I was like a madman shouting and throwing things at it .*expletive removed* bop bassas

Terrible publicity for the pigeon sport.... Until PETA's investigation broke, the shadier aspects of pigeon racing had attracted little attention, but it's a blood sport that deserves to be as condemned as cockfighting or dogsled racing. In a typical race, 60 percent of the birds will never make it back to their lofts and mates because of extreme weather, predators, electric lines, foul play, and exhaustion. Out of more than 1,500 baby pigeons shipped to Oklahoma City for just one event attended by the investigators, the 2010 American Racing Pigeon Union race, a little more than 1,000 birds survived training. Of those thousand birds entered into the final race, a mere 420 made it back from Arkansas by nightfall—and many of those who returned still likely had their necks wrung if they failed to finish "in the money." As one pigeon racer told investigators, when starting out in pigeon racing, "The first thing you have to learn—how to kill pigeons." What You Can Do There's nothing sporting about forcing animals to risk—and often lose—their lives so that someone can win a prize, a title, or some money. Please never attend or support these sadistic blood sports, and if you witness cruelty, never be silent.

Another one of these guys thats in and oot the game even for only a day

You were out the doos longer than I thought you would be , lol.

Definately food for thought Walter, well done m8.

Bigbill can keep us up to speed.Any info Bill?

i would have no chance in an east wind Naw, joking aside, Harlow for me or a place round about Newbury

lol

go back to Cheltenham expletive remove

Im not dismissing your findings Wattie, on the contrary, im trying to get to the bottom of this YBS thing the same as everyone else. Every days a school day

Strange one that Chad, I knew of a guy who never gave grit and won out of turn.

Good news for you ALF. Its a cant of a thing if it gets a grip of ye.

I use an avian vet in England Wattie, she knows her stuff. In fact, I would say she is one of the best in Europe.When I asked her she said it was only live vaccines that had to be used within 2-4 hours of opening.The dead vaccine bottle can be used continually if kept in the fridge and different needle used to vaccinate / extract solution from bottle.This vaccination has a self sealing top for this reason.Im only reporting on what she says m8, maybe Meditech is right and she is wrong but only one of them is making money out it

Naw,your wrong here. You have a preference without trying the both expletive remove.Also, nobody said the returns would be better, thats a no brainer but what we are trying to do is the very best for the pigeons at ground level.

The perfect time to vaccinate all your birds would be in September when theres no racing on but this goes against the rules for the ybs as they need jagged before racing. ( or do they )defo food for thought.

My vet told me that you actually have to vaccinate twice for PMV.Once with a live vaccine and then a few weeks later with a dead vaccine, or twice with a dead vaccine.This is the only real way to avoid pmv.Another thing she said, a dead vaccine can be used again as long as its a different needle taking out the solution and its kept in the fridge after use.She put a time scale of 6 months on this to be sure but says it has lasted up to a year WITH TESTS.But this is interesting Wattie, and it does make sense re YBS.We would all have to vaccinate at the same time, keeping the birds in for a week so they arent mixing with others.

Its called smooth edge or carpet gripper m8.