is the rule that the pad and bird has to be in confines of loft or bird im really not too sure ;D as regards birds not being able to get back out again don't make any sense what if i was to race on open door bird comes in i grab him place him over ets pad clocked but sure he can fly back out the door again i know ths might sound extreme but is it any different to some one having a landing board then a a square hole is which would be within the loft as landing board is outside where birds walk into where pad is but they never reach bob wires something spooks them they go back out again they would have been within confines of loft