gary you talking P*** you are trying to tell me that pentland are away at 11.00am and we are away at 11.15 and theres 400yds of a difference in vel get real man keep telling people distances are wrong for ridsdale go on to google maps distance calculator work it out for yourself my distance on it for otterburn is correct my distance for ridsdale per shu measurements is 67mls on calculator it is 61mls . 6ml of a difference makes a big difference in vel does it not?