hi, im afraid you dont here of these strains any more there all van something or other i know what you mean in my earley days youpurchased pigeons on performence not pedigree with no performence behind them. they were advertised with race performences not just long pedigrees as these days. there is no english straines now adays , the workmans were a very good performence pigieon as were the osmans all gone witrh time gaby vandabeley seem to be taking over now . what will be next ? enjoy your pigeons remember pedigree is not every thing champion break away .