JohnQuinn

Aye but John isnae in Sec E just like all the fanciers around him. Look at the result closely John, you simply cannot make a case for a level playing field in the YBN I mean come on ??

Yes John ONE!!! MANY MANY years ago and if still in the east he would be winning today as well, experience is his strongest suit, he never had that 30 years ago. !

Had a Mealy hen about 2007 that cast 2 on each wing the week of our Inland Open race and all advice was send her and gamble her. I done both but she slept out and never made the result, so be careful and be Certain the bird is Fully motivated to Race! home. Atvb whatever you decide to do.

Not for the first time either Jamie but that's no consolation to those of is who live and Work through here. Get plenty of advice to move location from better positioned fanciers but ye never hear anyone from the South East or East sections saying they will move here and race their doos, Strange Eh!!!

The very fact you draw comparisons between OB races and the YBN highlights you know nothing about the difference and even less about what this exchange of views is about, its the YBN that crucifies the Majority of fanciers teams in this and other less well positioned areas with Very Poor returns or losing ALL our entries. That doesn't happen in old bird nationals, certainly not on the same scale. Not all good fanciers will have the race they expect every time, but we get what we expect from the YBN and that is NO Open positions and Very Very poor returns year on year. Also, Despite what you read and hear we are not poor fanciers with poor stock as has been suggested by you and your like.

Is that next to Crow Wood??

Cheers Henrik that at least gives me an idea of it.

Great introduction Frank, welcome to the site and back to your pigeons, hope all goes well for you and you get established quickly back into the sport. atvb John.

Why is that Gary?? I am not that familiar with the geography in that corner of the country (but i am the results) so please excuse my ignorance. This is only a straight forward question i have no motive other than curiosity asking you this. atb John.

Hi John, Looking at it closer i notice only 2 birds from Sec D didn't get an Open position ( but still beat Sec E, G, A (bar 1 doo) & F, all other Open positions (bar Scott's outstanding doo) are taken up by Sec's B,C & D's birds. That tells us that these birds are experiencing a much different race than the birds in the other 4 sections.....Because when you look at the result from Derek's bird onwards, Sec's E,G,A & F are all mixed in together (in that order), though not surprisingly considering the conditions, the Sec F doos had it toughest in this particular race, but still !! all these section's winning birds are in the mix together, suggesting there may be some parity if they were released together, separately from the other 3 Sections. Remember this is as much, if not More, about getting more birds home than winning Open positions in the race, that imo can only be good for the doos and in the long term good for the sport, and reduced losses wouldn't do our image to outsiders any harm either.

Excuse me removing the previous 6 or so posts gents. Cheers, John.

Always very sad to lose one of our fraternity. R.I.P.

Somethings gotta give or we just keep getting treated with contempt, the choice is ours to make.

S/W wind would blow them up the road for the last 100mls.

Just checked out the result and a Split Lib would need to be Sec's A,E,F & G up together and Sec's B,C & D together, in that order, to give the Sec G birds the best opportunity to make it home on the shift. Simples.

Second to none big man, Hat's off.

I see Billy Holland taking 7th Open, well done to him too, after what's been a difficult year for him and his health.

A massive well done on yer section win Derek, how many 1st Sec's is that now?? Superb mate, simply Superb. Of course Billy Bilsland steals the show again, breaking more records with a fantastic team effort, WELL DONE THAT MAN.

Cheers Mike, sent samples away years ago to Troon but not sent any away since then. Think if i had a problem now, or Thought i had one i would go ask Davie Elliott to give them the once over, the man's an encyclopaedia on pigeon health.

Excuse my ignorance but what "tests" do they do??

I reckon yer better with hinged boards George, either open and shut like a window or swing towards the floor which i preferred when on darkness. jmo.

Are they no a bit careful way their money up your way George They calls are no cheap

Excellent results Watty ........Ain't many fanciers in the Fed can put a season like that together.

Well done Archie, bet it was driving you crazy lolol

A think it tells ye on the info letter ye get sent with yer book/pool sheets etc Derek.