Wiley Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 What’s your take on this type of breeding, for either racing or breeding?
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 It was good enough in years gone by for racing and breeding. I'm sure we all know the benefits of line breeding, but we have to be strict with culling undesirables. The problem is how many are good enough stockmen to pick out the undesirables. The other modern day problem is the proliferation of BOP which make it so much harder to distinguish between a good pigeon and a lucky one.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 Having just read your blog thread, I now know the reason for your question. I would agree with you that the bloodlines are very important for distance racing.
walterboswell59 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 must agree with andy found these birds best for both breeding and racing distance birds but must have the winning lines in the first place good luck wiley enjoy your holiday m8
dal2 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I remember clashing with OWEN on here many times as he laughed when I suggested that winners could be bred by looking only at the bloodline and not at any performances by the parental linage. Breeding on line or putting winner to winner will both give you results but at the end of the day good birds are good birds
Wiley Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Posted January 10, 2018 I remember clashing with OWEN on here many times as he laughed when I suggested that winners could be bred by looking only at the bloodline and not at any performances by the parental linage. Breeding on line or putting winner to winner will both give you results but at the end of the day good birds are good birds How many peoples stock pigeons that people buy in, have actually seen a race basket? Don’t get me wrong I have own bred winners in my stock team that bred multiple fed winners, but my absolute best stock pigeons past or present never saw a basket, although I will state generally there parents or one parent was a good winner. Line breeding I’ve always found a successful way of breeding. Ive never owned a double grandchild of a pigeon hence my interest
dal2 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 How many peoples stock pigeons that people buy in, have actually seen a race basket? Don’t get me wrong I have own bred winners in my stock team that bred multiple fed winners, but my absolute best stock pigeons past or present never saw a basket, although I will state generally there parents or one parent was a good winner. Line breeding I’ve always found a successful way of breeding. Ive never owned a double grandchild of a pigeon hence my interestOWEN only put winners to winners....no family and no characteristics....just winner to winner. When I told him my stock was 8/10 yrs old and hadn't been outside never mind a basket he told me if I stopped line breeding I would have more success
jimmy_bulger Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 double g,child off a champion, is the product of a full brother x full sister mating off the champion or half brother x half sister mating (ie) direct off the champion x different mother or father depending on wether or not the champion is a cock or hen witch makes the double g,child genetically as close as a direct child off the champion.
moscow master Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 OWEN only put winners to winners....no family and no characteristics....just winner to winner. When I told him my stock was 8/10 yrs old and hadn't been outside never mind a basket he told me if I stopped line breeding I would have more successDid that work Stevie. What's happened to Owen is he never on here now
Wiley Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) double g,child off a champion, is the product of a full brother x full sister mating off the champion or half brother x half sister mating (ie) direct off the champion x different mother or father depending on wether or not the champion is a cock or hen witch makes the double g,child genetically as close as a direct child off the champion. So what way is it let’s say champion cock what sex is it genetically closer? I’m guessing it’s vise versa Edited January 10, 2018 by Wiley
jimmy_bulger Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 a dtr direct off his son x dtr mating with same mother
dal2 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 Did that work Stevie. What's happened to Owen is he never on here nowI have paired my best racers to my best racers for the last 3yrs.......some success.....but the winners still come from the stock in the majority. My 3rd sec bedhampton is a son of the hen I timed on the night at the Gold Cup this year and roye the year before when paired to a yearling cock that won twice as a young bird. 6out of 11 diploma winners from that race were straight from unflown stock
yeboah Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 double g,child off a champion, is the product of a full brother x full sister mating off the champion or half brother x half sister mating (ie) direct off the champion x different mother or father depending on wether or not the champion is a cock or hen witch makes the double g,child genetically as close as a direct child off the champion.I have a double granddaughter of silver shadow and was told by a top class fancier and expert in genetics exactly what you have stated that it is as good as a direct daughter
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I remember clashing with OWEN on here many times as he laughed when I suggested that winners could be bred by looking only at the bloodline and not at any performances by the parental linage. Breeding on line or putting winner to winner will both give you results but at the end of the day good birds are good birds Breeding winner to winner, you are hoping that the winning genes pass to the offspring.Breeding winner to winner on line gives you a better chance of the winning genes passing to the offspring, especially in a well established family. What we are breeding for is not looks, it is unseen, so chance plays a very large part in the outcomes. It is expected that you stack the odds in your favour by staying on line. You need to know when to introduce a cross and after introducing it, you have to breed it back out of your family. This is easiest done when breeding on a male line. In that instance, the cross would be female. Did that work Stevie. What's happened to Owen is he never on here now Owen occasionally posts on FB.
dal2 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 Breeding winner to winner, you are hoping that the winning genes pass to the offspring.Breeding winner to winner on line gives you a better chance of the winning genes passing to the offspring, especially in a well established family. What we are breeding for is not looks, it is unseen, so chance plays a very large part in the outcomes. It is expected that you stack the odds in your favour by staying on line. You need to know when to introduce a cross and after introducing it, you have to breed it back out of your family. This is easiest done when breeding on a male line. In that instance, the cross would be female. Owen occasionally posts on FB. Over complicated for me Andy .....i know what I like and after time breeding with your chosen stock you can easily breed what you like in the hand. As for winners....thats a different thing as other knowledge is required.......but blood will tell so they say.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 Over complicated for me Andy .....i know what I like and after time breeding with your chosen stock you can easily breed what you like in the hand. As for winners....thats a different thing as other knowledge is required.......but blood will tell so they say. Taking the over-complication away, that is what I said. You know your family because it is established. You breed towards the type that has won for you in the past. Blood will tell, so you have a better chance than those who continually cross good winning lines. Winners, that is where the luck comes in. It used to be called the nicking factor.
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