Pigeon Wellbeing Advice Needed

[frank frank]

Hi, please accept my apologies if I've posted this in the wrong section, but I was after a little advice from some of the experts on here if I may?

 

My father-in-law keeps 'tumbler' pigeons in two separate coops, around 30 in all, and with him not being internet savvy, has asked me if I can find any advice for him as they're a little poorly at the moment.

 

He's had them for around 4 years with no real problems, but says they're "hunched up" and are occasionally coughing up their food right now.

They're also experiencing problems with their balance now, hence he's extremely worried about them.

 

A friend of his suggested Potassium Permanganate for their drinking water, but I've read up about it online and it appears it is more something you put into their bath water to rid them of lice or ticks, so I think he's maybe been misinformed regarding that.

 

He is wondering if there is a tonic or medicine of some sort available that he can buy to pop into their drinking water?

 

Does anybody recognise these ailments I've described, and perhaps more importantly, do you know of a suitable tonic I could get online for him to treat it?

 

Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kindest regards.

[novo10]

Baytril or amoxicillin mate

Edited December 2, 2017 by novo10

[novo10]

Hi, please accept my apologies if I've posted this in the wrong section, but I was after a little advice from some of the experts on here if I may?

 

My father-in-law keeps 'tumbler' pigeons in two separate coops, around 30 in all, and with him not being internet savvy, has asked me if I can find any advice for him as they're a little poorly at the moment.

 

He's had them for around 4 years with no real problems, but says they're "hunched up" and are occasionally coughing up their food right now.

They're also experiencing problems with their balance now, hence he's extremely worried about them.

 

A friend of his suggested Potassium Permanganate for their drinking water, but I've read up about it online and it appears it is more something you put into their bath water to rid them of lice or ticks, so I think he's maybe been misinformed regarding that.

 

He is wondering if there is a tonic or medicine of some sort available that he can buy to pop into their drinking water?

 

Does anybody recognise these ailments I've described, and perhaps more importantly, do you know of a suitable tonic I could get online for him to treat it?

 

Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kindest regards.

does he jag them for paramaxo

[frank frank]

Baytril or amoxicillin mate

 

 

Thanks ever so much for the speedy reply buddy, that's great.

 

Is Baytril something he could easily find in the shops (he lives in Birmingham), as I've looked online and it appears I can only buy it from Thailand or the United States - which would obviously take a long time to arrive?

 

Failing that, could he obtain it from his local vet?

[novo10]

Get it from vet put them on a 10 day course mate

[frank frank]

does he jag them for paramaxo

 

I've just googled the symptoms of paramoxo and he says that's exactly what they have buddy.

 

So I think it's treatment for paramoxo that they will need, if you could possibly advise me?

[Billyalves]

I agree with novo if you are near Grangemouth give me a shout

[novo10]

Are they drinking a lot of water and is the coop wet

[novo10]

Baytril mate give them 0.2 orally daily for 10 days they should show signs of recovery after 7-10 days if not they will need to be put down

[scrapman]

parastop is what you want goes in the water,bucket for the worst affected ones

[novo10]

parastop is what you want goes in the water,bucket for the worst affected ones

That won’t help them it’s not paratyphoid

[frank frank]

Are they drinking a lot of water and is the coop wet

 

 

He said yes to both mate.

 

Thanks ever so much for all your quick help and advice everyone, it's been really appreciated.

 

I've told him to ask his vet for a 10-day course to treat Paramoxo.

 

You chaps are stars! Thank you.

[Big Davie]

If its paramyxovirus then neither Baytril, Parastop, nor Amoxicillin will cure this as antibiotics cannot treat a virus, these will only treat any secondary bacterial infection and could make the situation worse

 

If it is paramyxovirus then you need to support the birds with vitamins / electrolytes in the water, ( they will be drinking a lot of water ) and feed them on pellets only which are digested easily and will stop them scattering food everywhere when they are sick which will help reduce spread of virus when other birds eat spewed up corn

 

The loft floor will be wet so the slops need to be scraped up and floor dried of with gas burner then a scattering of staloson F or shavings applied daily

 

If it is paramyxovirus there is no short cut to a cure but you should see some improvement after about 3 weeks, i assume they have not been vaccinated previously against this so in the interim some will probably die and any that display twisted necks etc will not fully recover and should be culled

 

Hopefully after a month or so the virus will have run its course and most of the birds will have survived or recovered when they should then be vaccinated with Nobilis or Colombo-vac where this should be ongoing on an annual basis

 

Some may not agree with the above advice but that is how I would proceed having had some experience with this viral disease on an occasional basis since it first came on the scene in 1983 ( above assuming it is paramyxo ) where it Deffo sounds like it

 

Hope this helps

[Big Davie]

He said yes to both mate.

 

Thanks ever so much for all your quick help and advice everyone, it's been really appreciated.

 

I've told him to ask his vet for a 10-day course to treat Paramoxo.

 

You chaps are stars! Thank you.

[Big Davie]

He said yes to both mate.

 

Thanks ever so much for all your quick help and advice everyone, it's been really appreciated.

 

I've told him to ask his vet for a 10-day course to treat Paramoxo.

 

You chaps are stars! Thank you.

Paramyxo is a notifiable disease so if you go to your vet and mention this he will report it to DEFRA

 

Just something to consider

[greenlands]

Think it will be paratyhoid mate not PMV,could be wrong.

http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/treatment-plan/digestivetract-salmonellosis.php

[frank frank]

Many thanks for the additional advice, I will pass that on too.

 

All your help has been hugely appreciated.

[novo10]

Think it will be paratyhoid mate not PMV,could be wrong.

http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/treatment-plan/digestivetract-salmonellosis.php

How’s that it’s the symptoms of pmv

[greenlands]

How’s that it’s the symptoms of pmv

 

? PMV syptoms in Franks post ?

Please enlighten me.

[frank frank]

Apologies for being a pain here, but is their dog (an 8-year old little Westie) in any danger from this?

 

The pigeons are let out twice a day for an hour or so, morning and afternoon.

They generally fly off for around twenty minutes, then spend the rest of their time out mooching around the garden, having a bath, collecting bits of foliage for nesting etc before going back in.

 

Obviously the dog shares the garden too (but not while they're out), so should they be worried for her?

[novo10]

? PMV syptoms in Franks post ?

Please enlighten me.

Excessive drinking and loft wet

[novo10]

? PMV syptoms in Franks post ?

Please enlighten me.

Paratyphoid syptoms in franks birds

[greenlands]

Excessive drinking and loft wet

Same for Paratyphoid ,as I said I could be wrong,everyone reads a book differently.If it is PMV they wouldn't be out flying,mine had PMV back in the eighties,never again I hope.

[novo10]

Same for Paratyphoid ,as I said I could be wrong,everyone reads a book differently.If it is PMV they wouldn't be out flying,mine had PMV back in the eighties,never again I hope.

Paratyphoid usually comes about when climate is hotter and babies in nest could be wrong but don’t think he has jagged these birds

[frank frank]

Same for Paratyphoid ,as I said I could be wrong,everyone reads a book differently.If it is PMV they wouldn't be out flying,mine had PMV back in the eighties,never again I hope.

 

I spoke to him on the phone earlier and he said they've been out ok today, but are still hunched up etc. But they happily went out.

He also dried the coop floor right out before putting them back in.

 

Buster sent me a nice PM earlier recommending a vet in Wednesbury, so I've taken that vet's phone number and he's going to phone them first tomorrow before possibly going to his local vet, so he can explain exactly what the problem is and see what they recommend.

 

All you guys have been extremely helpful and he's very grateful.

He loves his birds, but is a bit old fashioned when it comes to knowledge.