whose rules

[frank-123]

what a gentleman john barlow top drawer  the west of scotland only being used the same as lanarkshire bet he is real proud

[GREENGRASS]

 

since I am being mobbed by all you guys all firing questions at me I will try to reply to you all so please be patient as I do have other things to do so I shall endevour to keep my replys brief,

 

first john barlow has resigned from his club which means he is no longer a member of lanarkshire federation and thats a fact so get over it. you have your elected delegates if your not happy get rid of them dont expect the SHU to alter the way it has run for the past 100 years just to suit johno do you!!!!!!!!!

 

P.S. what really stinks johno is all the meetings prior to meetings the stink gets in the pores  maybe thats the stink your smelling!!!!!!!!

 

 

remember making this post ...........................

[frank-123]

t3doo

did he resign from his club or not ? maybe you should not speak for john barlow as you dont seem to know what he is up to  ;D

[GREENGRASS]

 

not the case in lanarkshire federation as they have a one federation rule.

 

without making it too complicated there are no individual members in any federations in membership of the SHU, the CLUBS form the federations therefore john barlow is not required to resign from the federation!!!!!!!!!

 

where lanarkshire have a one federation rule if any member joins any other federation then they automatically forfeit membership of lanarkshire federation, so it would appear john barlow is not even required to resign from his club!!!!!!!!!!

 

need some help here maybe

[t3doo]

correct bart ........... your club dont want you to represent them, your fed dont want you to represent them, so what do you you do. you join a non entity of a fed  with a non entity patrner who is himself embroiled in controversy after timing another fanciers bird in to claim 2nd section young bird national and overnight you move to become their fed delegate, says a lot for the  members of the alleged fed does it not. the worrying concern for me is why are they so desperate to keep this person in control, are his strings so easily controlled that he must be kept in place. one fact i do know is that the rest of the uk unions and organisations must be looking at this shambles and laughing up their sleeves.....again.

 

resorting to the same old mud slinging greengrass, whats wrong are the puppet masters plans not falling in to place your problem and his is john barlow doesnt have strings attached they run out of string in lanarkshire supplying all the puppet masters puppets you must KEN that!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

[frank-123]

t3doo

1  did he resign from his club or not ?

 

[frank-123]

ps.......it has 4 clubs in the fed but could someone please name the 20 flying lofts that the west of Scotland fed has?????    Please anybody coz it would be a help!!!!!

 

t3 doo could you answer this please

[GREENGRASS]

so which of your above posts are true .....he has resigned ............ he does not need to resign. t3doo you are not the first to come  on here and other sites to try an print crap to distract peoples views etc. you are having more than your strings pulled for you have made  a fool of yourself again and again, you post rumour and hear say and more in hope than in fact. the problem is mr barlows strings are rooted in newmains and we all know who pulls them....................... ;D ;D ;D  ;D

[t3doo]

 

GREENGRASS YOU WOULD APPEAR TO BE A BIT OF A BRIGHT BOY ON THIS FORUM IN FACT YOUR SO BRIGHT YOU ARE RESORTING TO ADDING TO MY POSTS NOW, I DONT KNOW HOW BUT I WILL BE TAKING THIS UP WITH THE WEBMASTER PRIOR TO ANY FURTHER POSTING, AND BY THE WAY ITS YOU WHO NEEDS HELP.

[frank-123]

one nil to the green grass

but he stll cant answer  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greengrass dont add to this or iam telling the webmaster :'( :'( :'( :'(

[frank-123]

 

not the case in lanarkshire federation as they have a one federation rule.

 

without making it too complicated there are no individual members in any federations in membership of the SHU, the CLUBS form the federations therefore john barlow is not required to resign from the federation!!!!!!!!!

 

where lanarkshire have a one federation rule if any member joins any other federation then they automatically forfeit membership of lanarkshire federation, so it would appear john barlow is not even required to resign from his club!!!!!!!!!!

iam no adding anything to this but t3 doo has no clue

 

 

 

[GREENGRASS]

 

GREENGRASS YOU WOULD APPEAR TO BE A BIT OF A BRIGHT BOY ON THIS FORUM IN FACT YOUR SO BRIGHT YOU ARE RESORTING TO ADDING TO MY POSTS NOW, I DONT KNOW HOW BUT I WILL BE TAKING THIS UP WITH THE WEBMASTER PRIORTO ANY FURTHER POSTING, AND BY THE WAY ITS YOU WHO NEEDS HELP.

 

is that the best you can come up.......laughable and pathetic. let me help you out here a bit as i like to do my bit. if you want to quote something i have said in a post etc click the quote box above the post, now sometimes what you add appears in the same box, as you can see above.

 

 

 

hope the webmaster does not think i have stood on his toes here............ ;D

 

yes i need help...help from people who come on here and print crap after crap and who then try to run and hide and who never print any facts or evidence. if you do not know the truth do not print rubbish now away back and have your strings adjusted. i think it admirable that in this day and age there are people who will blindly follow others and who will try and protect them, even when they do not have the first inkling of what is truth and lies. you have been asked many questions on here but have not answerd any...................i wonder why.

[johno]

it has now become public knowledge that there is a potential complex legal situation brewing in the west of scotland fed concerning ownership of pigeons. the partnership which includes the shu president according to t3doo is at the heart of this situation. is this a case of another fine mess. what are we to expect next.  poor show. poor example. should know better.

[GREENGRASS]

how can mr traynor now get a fair hearing considering he has been suspended by the alleged west of scotland fed for pointing out that someone has timed in his bird, and the person who timed in his bird is now in partnership with the shu president sloely for the purpose of keeping him a delegate. what chance has he got.

[me]

The scottish pigeon fraternity and the Scottish Homing Union in particular are being brought into disrepute by all of this pathetic nonsense we have become the laughing stock of British pigeon racing.

 

Its all so sad what a mess!

[dandydoo]

ME, The SHU have not brought the sport into disrepute ...it is a FEW fanciers themselves becoming entrenched in petty disputes and  just getting silly.

 

It seems to be prevelant all over the place ...read the General Board rockinrick "suspensions" Look on here and at the BHW and the RPRA/ ETS debacle, financial situation etc ...look at the difficulties the NFC are having retaining numbers and the financial situation. NO organisations seem to have their troubles to seek. At least in Scotland you can get a vote the RPRA you have to rely on a region delegate to make your or your regions case and that can EASILY be overturned by other regions  

[johno]

dandydoo one persons petty dispute can be another persons life snd death issue. is the situation of depending on a delegate not common to both organisations. if procedures and rules are applied uniformly and universally across the whole membership a lot of the problems we have here in scotland would not exist. i am unaware of any rpra ets debacle, financial situation. the implications in these statments are far reaching. in the snfc debtors board you say that you do not know all the facts of some situation so you could not comment. i do not think you know the full situation of rcckinrick but that has not stopped you making comment and trying to use the same situation to float a point that all the organisations are six of one and half a dozen of the other. as to financial situations in general. all organisations should produce all books of original entry, all cash being held, all bank statements and bank passbooks, all vouchers and invoices both purcases and sales, at their agm. this would allow the membership to inspect all aspects of the organisations financial status at any given point in time.  i am not aware that this has ever happened at the shu. we must stand up for fairness and and do the decent thing at all times.

[dandydoo]

Peter (Tenyears)  I am not going to get into a BIG ARGUMENT WITH YOU... DONE THAT HAVE THE T-SHIRT. YOU ARE A CLEVER MAN BUT SO BITTER AGAINST THE SHU AND SO PRO THE RPRA IT IS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO BE OBJECTIVE IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION . You have a personal grievance with the SHU as the Board knows. On the facts Rick has presented it seems unfair.

 

YOU WILL DESTROY YOURSELF IF YOU KEEP SEEKING REVENGE. I BELIEVE THE RPRA HAVE ACCEPTED YOU TO FLY WITH THEM DESPITE YOUR SUSPENSION SO I HOPE THAT YOU ARE ENJOYING FLYING YOUR BIRDS AGAIN. MAKE THAT YOUR PURPOSE, NOT SEEKING REVENGE AND RETRIBUTION. ACCEPT SMALL MINDEDNESS AND INJUSTICE TAKES PLACE IN ALL UNIONS ...USUALLY BY FANCIERS IN WEE CLUBS WANTING TO RID THEMSELVES OF COMPETITION.

 

BEING HELL BENT ON GETTING WHOEVER FOR WHATEVER YOU SEE AS AN INJUSTICE DOES NOT HELPTHE SPORT IN  MOVING FORWARD. REALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE WITH ME ON TRYING TO IMPROVE THINGS. REALLY YOU WERE ONLY WAXING LYRICAL TO SERVE YOUR OWN ENDS ...TO GET THE SHU >

YOU EPITOMISE MY POINT ...SADLY  

[johno]

you seem to be confused dandydoo. i do not fly pigeons with the rpra. you are working on supositions and guesses which are way off the mark. if you feel standing against individuals or organisations who have been party to a family losing their home and another party who has been handed a ridiculous suspension is revenge then that is your choice. i will continue to attempt to bring into the public arena any wrongs which i feel are being habitually and obsessively being undertaken by those who feel they are above the rules. i feel from your post that you in someway feel that the shu officials are beyond reproach. any points that i johno make are just that points. if they are lacking in substance please feel free to point that out. please do not attempt to label me as a fool or a mischiefmaker. if you would answer me one question. do you think a way forward would be to put all the isuues, ets, snfc debtors, the family loosing their house, the ten year suspension, the flying of pigeons not transfered whether knowingly or unknowingly, the illegal attempt at electing a disqualified member to the presidents post of the shu, in front of an independant arbitror. someone or body who or which all involved would agree to accept their findings.

[dandydoo]

So your not Peter Walter then????? ;)

So your not a member of the RPRA then? Hope when the RPRA are voting you will not take part. You had a pop at SNFC members for turning out and not flying :o

Read the post, stop being paranoid I was saying you were a clever man and not a mischief maker  ...but you have one aim to get revenge from the SHU.

 

Fine but you may be taking it out on those people who were not there when the decisions you feel were unjust were taken. Is it still the same elected fanciers that made the decisions that are on the SHU board? I would doubt it.

 

You are a man on a mission good luck to you ...i just thought from your earlier posts that there was concensus ;)

[johno]

i was trying to make the point that if we accept that it is ultimately the membership who have to accept that they are responsible for the actions of the delegates and threrfore the management committee. for us to turn round now and say the membership were not aware of the circumstances does not standup against our original position. as to possible changes of the decision makers i must point out that this has not happened yet. also there is no mechanism that guarantees the management style will change. i understand that it may well change. my major issue is the stand taken against the family who lost their home. how do we remedy this. do way ignore it and hope it goes away. do we ignore the other obvious blunders. do we expect the people who have been wronged to go away and say nothing. do we hope that they will go away if we ignore the situation long enough. i enjoy the discussion here and while it may appear at time i am being difficult i am not. i value and will consider all opinions. this does not mean i will agree wtih them. i expect the opposite on my postings. i will not attempt to defend the undefendable but i will stand up for what i think is right. i hope i have not offended you or anyone else  dandydoo as this was never my intention.

[dandydoo]

No offence none whatsoever ......

[johno]

current case at ahu appeals. two people apply to join club after agm has taken place. secretary rings round all members and asks if it is ok to discuss at next meeting to pay dues. members agreed to secretaries suggestion. two members allowed to join. 4 months after season finished one member complains and lodges appeal to shu on grounds that meeting was not a properly constituted meeting. shu agree to hear appeal. we all know of appeals that were refused time barred and not with a four month gap. this case is in ayrshire. we must ask the question why do the rules appear to be implemented in different ways for different people. i bet we will find that the shu find in favour of side that the shu delegate stands. spooky. poor show poor example.

[johno]

that is exactly the point rose. in the past the shu have refused appeals that were one day late. they have also refused appeals on numerous occassions for no consistant reason. some are allowed the appeal others in similar circumstances are refused. depends on who you are. the rules are not used with any consistancy and not applied evenly and fairly.  

[johno]

unfortuanately rose this is the situation. over the last good number of years any issue that has been put in front of them involving a committee member has been found in favour of the committee member. coincidence.