whose rules

[johno]

just heard top official failed to get right result at own federation agm.  as own federation has a one fed only rule for members set up new parnership in own federation under family members name. joined in partnership with member of another federation. lives 30 miles away from new fed radius. unlikely ever to be at new partnership loft. all done to manipulate a situation which was not falling the way they wanted. rule acrobatics. as an official heavily involved in policy and rule making more aware than most of the actions being undertaken. is this hypocracy or does anything go now?

[me]

which fed was that then johno?

 

Incidentally organisations that have a one fed only rule are in breach of the human rights act, so he could just have sued them if he was that keen!

[johno]

wrong result in lanarkshire manouevered in to west of scotland.

[GREENGRASS]

yes johno the desperation levels have reached new lows but are you really surprised by the latest acts of desperate men, but i also hear that there is bigger trouble looming. can anyone tell me what the rules are as laid out in the shu rule book regarding a federation ie number of clubs/ ,e,bers per club etc ............................................ ;D

[THE FIFER]

yes johno the desperation levels have reached new lows but are you really surprised by the latest acts of desperate men, but i also hear that there is bigger trouble looming. can anyone tell me what the rules are as laid out in the shu rule book regarding a federation ie number of clubs/ ,e,bers per club etc ............................................ ;D

 

A CLUB MUST HAVE NOT LESS THAN 5 MEMBERS WITH SEPARATE LOFTS, A FEDERATION MEANS AN ASSOCIATION OF 4 OR MORE SOCIETIES (CLUBS)

 

 

[GREENGRASS]

thank you archie for your reply as i thought maybe i had read it wrongly. archie can you please tell me how the west of scotland fed can be called a fed if as you say the above criteria exist. prehaps you could also explain why the existing shu president needs to go to such desperate measures to remain a delegate. why not except the vote  of his own fed of many years and move on.

[johno]

some people seem to think they are above what the members decide. this is a sure sign of an ego gone mad. anything goes if you think you are the boss. a terrible example and a poor reflection on the pigeon fancy up here.

[THE FIFER]

thank you archie for your reply as i thought maybe i had read it wrongly. archie can you please tell me how the west of scotland fed can be called a fed if as you say the above criteria exist. prehaps you could also explain why the existing shu president needs to go to such desperate measures to remain a delegate. why not except the vote  of his own fed of many years and move on.

 

probably because u must be a delegate to be president of the shu. shu officials are nominated from the council,

 

 

[ALF]

just heard top official failed to get right result at own federation agm.  as own federation has a one fed only rule for members set up new parnership in own federation under family members name. joined in partnership with member of another federation. lives 30 miles away from new fed radius. unlikely ever to be at new partnership loft. all done to manipulate a situation which was not falling the way they wanted. rule acrobatics. as an official heavily involved in policy and rule making more aware than most of the actions being undertaken. is this hypocracy or does anything go now?

 

NOT REALLY SURPRISED AT THIS AT ALL JOHNO AND HE WONDERS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE WANTED HIM OUT AS THE PRESIDENT OF OUR FEDERATION!!! : : :

[THE FIFER]

my view on any subject is go by the rules and accept the majority votes, if things do not go as u would like then u must accept them if this was the wish of the majority according to the rules, and if there are rules which anybody thinks are not right then get it in to have it moved but if the majority say keep it then u have to accept it, rules are there so everyone gets the same crack of the whip, and if organisations are run properly no one man or officials can control anything.

[johno]

why are the people involved so desperate to hold onto a position. this in itself is worrying. this is the second time. the same gang tried to elect a person who was not a delegate as president of the shu a couple of years back. the proposer and seconder were and still are the senior officials in scottish pigeon racing. is this what the doomen really want?

[Guest WINGS 04]

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU ARE NOT A DELEGATE OF YOUR FED THEN YOU CAN NO LONGER BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE SHU IS THIS RIGHT ???

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Rab that is correct.

[THE FIFER]

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU ARE NOT A DELEGATE OF YOUR FED THEN YOU CAN NO LONGER BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE SHU IS THIS RIGHT ???

 

if u didn't have this re officials come from the delegates, then the big feds would dominate who were going to be officials, as the officials would be elected at agms,

 

 

[ALF]

FIFER THE ONLY REASON HE IS'NT A FED DELEGATE IS THAT THE MEMBERS DONT WANT HIM OR HE WOULD STILL BE A  FED DELEGATE ;) ;)

[johno]

extremely poor show when the current president of the shu refuses to accept that his fed do not want him to represent them anymore. anyone else attempting what he is would be hauled in front of the fed and probably the shu. it is clear that the person involved thinks he has some sort of divine right to continue as president. the unfortunate thing is that he has the support of the old team of past presidents. i hate to think what they will cajole by way of retribution towards lanarkshire if they succeed in manipulating the current president back into office for 2007. who has the say in waht happens. delegates will be pressured into re electing the current president. whose rules are being abused? who has the final say past officials or the membership?

[HOMER49]

Hi

If what is being said on this site is true and the West of Scotland fed elect John as their SHU delegate and no rules have been broken Then well done WOS you have a fine official and a excellent representative for your fed

Cheers

Homer 49

[Guest WINGS 04]

IS THIS THE ONE RULE FOR THEM AND ONE FOR US AS I THINK THIS STINKS

[THE FIFER]

FIFER THE ONLY REASON HE IS'NT A FED DELEGATE IS THAT THE MEMBERS DONT WANT HIM OR HE WOULD STILL BE A  FED DELEGATE ;) ;)

 

 

and quite right if the majority of members from a fed do not want him as their delegate thats fine the vote him off, but if the person is a member of another fed and the majority vote for him as delegate then thats their privilage, another fed cannot tell another fed who to vote for, i wouldn't think.

 

[Guest WINGS 04]

fifer there is a rule in lanarkshire tht says you can't be in  another fed when you are in lanarkshire

[THE FIFER]

fifer there is a rule in lanarkshire tht says you can't be in  another fed when you are in lanarkshire

 

not wanting to get into any tangle, but i agree with what u say but is it a rule which the shu has, there are a lot of fanciers who are members of the new feds which were formed and still mem,bers of their old feds so it maybe is not a shu rule, clubs or feds cannot just make rules, if they bring out a rule it must be ok by shu,

 

 

[johno]

the rule has been upheld at the shu. if it was not an shu rule how have lanarkshire and the midland managed to enforce it at the shu. some people are dancing in and out of the rules to suit their own contrived set up. poor show from a supposedly top official. what kind of example is this to be giving.

[THE FIFER]

sorry johno i'm a bit lost here, what rule has been upheld, is it u can be a member of 2 feds or u cant, dont see how it can be the later as i said there are members who are in more than one fed, and according to shu rule 21 page 14 you can be a member of 2 feds,

[johno]

the one fed rule was upheld last year. midland fed situation

[HOMER49]

Hi

Lanarkshire fed rule 33 Quote,

Dual membership with other federations will invalidate membership of Lanarkshire Federation Only members holding dual membership in 1986/1987 will be accepted

Clubs applying as new members must comply with this rule within twelve months of acceptance or acceptance becomes invalid

This rule was introduced by past president Mr A Thomson. I was at the meeting and voted for it At that time some members from other Feds namely South Lanarkshire held dual membership with Lanarkshire Some of these members competed weekly in SL but flew in Lanarkshire for our Open races where the big money was To this day there are several members who hold dual membership

This was 20 years ago when SL members where a force to be reckoned with and I did object to paying weekly for birdage with no prize money so the open races could pay bumper prize money

My own opion now on this rule is that it is outdated and should be binned

Cheers and a merry XMAS

Homer 49