RE: FIFE FED BIRDAGE

[dandydoo]

Flying Doo shouldny be about your ability to pay it should be about fair and reasonable for everyon ...cant go chasing folk cos they can pay up by such and such a date

[dandydoo]

If I send 3 to each race and you send 80 we pay the same ..its really not fair at all ...what about someone still at school or on benefit etc ...Birds might be their life

[me]

"Flying Doo shouldny be about your ability to pay it should be about fair and reasonable for everyon ...cant go chasing folk cos they can pay up by such and such a date"

 

here here dandydoo agree 100%

[Guest]

Fifer this is the post i was telling you about i hate the way some officals twist the voting to suit their own end they delibarity confuse people and they think they have used their vote and cant vote on the next proposal its simple it doesnt mater how many prop. their are  one goes against another untill you are left with one then it goes against status quo a good chairman might clump a number of prop. together if he thinks they are the same and he may ask for some one to move status quo dont know if this is nec. but it doesnt do any harm and it makes it clearer to all concernd

[JADE]

The vote has been handled wrongly as the three proposals should have been voted on (one vote per member) then the two with the most votes go against each other. The status quo does not apply as fees are set annually and proposals taken from the floor. By the way why did Fifer or anyone else who disagreed not propose status quo. This of course would have been financial suicide if as I understand the fed lost a lot of money last year. The idea is good in principal as it generates a guaranteed income for the fed. but personally I would go for a set number of free birds and then so much per bird over that amount as I think that is fairer to all. (I say this as someone who flies a fairly big team) The SHU will not act unless a complaint is received from a member. The first step would be an objection to the Fife Fed.

[THE FIFER]

Fifer this is the post i was telling you about i hate the way some officals twist the voting to suit their own end they delibarity confuse people and they think they have used their vote and cant vote on the next proposal its simple it doesnt mater how many prop. their are  one goes against another untill you are left with one then it goes against status quo a good chairman might clump a number of prop. together if he thinks they are the same and he may ask for some one to move status quo dont know if this is nec. but it doesnt do any harm and it makes it clearer to all concernd

 

 

but the status quo wasn't even brought into it or mentioned.

 

[THE FIFER]

The vote has been handled wrongly as the three proposals should have been voted on (one vote per member) then the two with the most votes go against each other. The status quo does not apply as fees are set annually and proposals taken from the floor. By the way why did Fifer or anyone else who disagreed not propose status quo. This of course would have been financial suicide if as I understand the fed lost a lot of money last year. The idea is good in principal as it generates a guaranteed income for the fed. but personally I would go for a set number of free birds and then so much per bird over that amount as I think that is fairer to all. (I say this as someone who flies a fairly big team) The SHU will not act unless a complaint is received from a member. The first step would be an objection to the Fife Fed.

 

yes but this was a ccomplete change in the way birdage is to be paid, and not birdage payment as usual but a one off payment for each race no limit on birds, SHU rule for AGMs, "WHERE ANY MEMBER WISHES TO ALTER , DELETE OR ADD TO ANY RECOCNISED ORGANISED ACTIVITIES

 

 

[me]

" then it goes against status quo a good chairman might clump a number of prop. together if he thinks they are the same and he may ask for some one to move status quo" - Frankdooman

 

spot on here Frank but the problem is the status quo has to be proposed and seconded it is not the chairmans responsibility to do this and you would have to assume if it was a goer somebody at the meeting would have had the gumption to do so.If it is not proposed it does not even come into it. If that was the case it would not be unreasonable to have a straight vote. With the way the fife fed is financially as someone else said earlier the status quo was not even an option.

[t3doo]

 

yes but this was a ccomplete change in the way birdage is to be paid, and not birdage payment as usual but a one off payment for each race no limit on birds, SHU rule for AGMs, "WHERE ANY MEMBER WISHES TO ALTER , DELETE OR ADD TO ANY RECOCNISED ORGANISED ACTIVITIES < notice of same must be given 28 days before the AGM.   so they alterd a recognised activity, how they normalaly delt with payment for birdage.

 

 

 

 

 

you are bang on fifer, I dont know when your AGM took place but you should lodge an objection prior to the 14 days, the correct procedures have not been carried out  and should not stand, Ian McKay from Aberdeen posted the correct procedure in an earlier post on this topic, hope you can get it sorted.

 

 

[THE FIFER]

its not democratic when only a few know about proposals going to be put forward at an agm, and the management committee puts a proposal in and its on the agenda and is not even mentioned at the agm, DEMOCRATIC ???????

[me]

"its not democratic when only a few know about proposals going to be put forward at an agm, and the management committee puts a proposal in and its on the agenda and is not even mentioned at the agm, DEMOCRATIC ???????" - Fifer

 

come on fifer you and i both know that fees and birdage are discussed every year and proposals are taken straight off the floor every year and a vote is taken. This proposal that was passed by a democratic vote YES DEMOCRATIC VOTE was no different from a lot of other proposals taken straight from the floor at many fife fed meetings you have attended in the past. Why not give the thing a chance the alternative is more disharmony.

[THE FIFER]

yes me, but surely the norm was for fees which there is no problem with, but birdage yes normal payment for each bird u enter in a race etc, but to pay for birds and races u may not even go to in not the normal procedure, it is a big change, so members should have known about it as a proposal, it was not even memtioned to the management committee at their pre agm meeting, when proposals and finance are discussed and the committee put in a proposal regarding this, and was on the agenda and was not put against any proposals or even brought up, surely democracy is for all to get a say, not only a few knowing about it and others not, thats why the rule regarding this is QUOTE : "WHERE ANY MEMBER WISHES TO ALTER, DELETE OR ADD TO ANY RECOGNISED ORGANISED ACTIVITIES, NOTICE OF SAME MUST BE GIVEN 28 DAYS BEFORE THE AGM

[me]

"anyway just hope we can all have a good season."

 

maybe it could have been handled better but there were still suggesting you pay for your birds just in a slightly different way.

 

Lets hope we can all have agood season and no nasty viruses emerge to spoil things for us all the best fifer hope it works out for the fife lads and lassies!

[THE FIFER]

cheers me after all i think the majority of us just want to race our birds, and my thought were yes it was the way it was done, but all the best, lets hope we get good racing.

[me]

"the appeal is now in hopethe shu can now handle the work done by two of there own councillers"

 

you might be upset with the way somethings were handle rembrandt lad but i will tell you one last thing the fife folks would be better trying to sort it themselves rather than allow the shu to run their fed for them there is no future for a fed that allows the shu to run it for one group rather than another. Wonder what the third fed will be called?

[Guest]

Noted one or two posts having a dig and a couple of posts complaining about that. Have taken around 12 posts out ... those mentioned and replies to them.

[THE FIFER]

"anyway just hope we can all have a good season."

 

maybe it could have been handled better but there were still suggesting you pay for your birds just in a slightly different way.

 

Lets hope we can all have agood season and no nasty viruses emerge to spoil things for us all the best fifer hope it works out for the fife lads and lassies!

 

not wanting to keep on about this me, but u say its just having us pay for our birds in a slightly different way, each week even if we dont go, we pay for 30 birds (if you put 80 away u pay for 30) i wouldn't call that a slight change, if u only put 10 away u pay for 30, if there is no race for bad weather or something and birds dont go u pay for 30, slight change???????

 

 

[me]

"not wanting to keep on about this me, but u say its just having us pay for our birds in a slightly different way, each week even if we dont go, we pay for 30 birds (if you put 80 away u pay for 30) i wouldn't call that a slight change, if u only put 10 away u pay for 30, if there is no race for bad weather or something and birds dont go u pay for 30, slight change??????? " -fifer

 

here what you are saying fifer but really its a question of balance and trying to get it right. Some people are members but never send doos so therefore the guys that send doos help to keep their fees down so having a system where everyone pays a fee for membership and birdage helps to redress the balance but what you guys have to make sure is the balance is right. Guess that is where next years AGM comes in. All the best with your efforts.

[square_peg]

Noted one or two posts having a dig and a couple of posts complaining about that. Have taken around 12 posts out ... those mentioned and replies to them.

 

SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ,WE CANT HAVE A DISCUSSION AND ANSWER POSTS,(WITHOUT SWEARING,ABUSIVE, NAME CALLING, OR AGRESSIVE POSTING) I THOUGHT THIS SITE WAS FOR MEMBERS TO COME "INDOORS" AND HAVE THERE SAY .I AM ALL FOR MODERATION BUT,UNLESS I HAVE MISSED SOMETHING ,THIS IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE TOP.

IF THERE HAS BEEN "BAD POSTS" I HAVE MISSED THEN I APOLIGISE IN ADVANCE FOR THIS POST :-/

[me]

"THIS IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE TOP." - Square Peg

 

No this is miles over the top how on earth my post on this thread could be "pulled" is beyond comprehension what are we supposed to be 10 year old children no one can say boo to or what?

[THE FIFER]

our ruling is that the fed subs are £100 and for that you get 20 'free birds' per each inland race.

 

 

yes thats different ur £100 is subs, the fife fed is £143, £20 of which is for subs or fees, the other £123 is advance payment for sending birds to races, and this in my mind is the big mistake, if the had put it all down as fees and u get so many birds free then possibly it could have been legal, but its £123 advance payment for races, which u might not even go to, and its no limit all pay the same whether u put 10 or 100 birds, i think this is the big problem. charging u for something u may not take part in, or if bad weather they may not be able to give.

 

[ALF]

 

 

yes thats different ur £100 is subs, the fife fed is £143, £20 of which is for subs or fees, the other £123 is advance payment for sending birds to races, and this in my mind is the big mistake, if the had put it all down as fees and u get so many birds free then possibly it could have been legal, but its £123 advance payment for races, which u might not even go to, and its no limit all pay the same whether u put 10 or 100 birds, i think this is the big problem. charging u for something u may not take part in, or if bad weather they may not be able to give.

 

I WOULD'NT LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPENING IN LANARKSHIRE FIFER AS THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CANT AFFORD TO PAY THE MONEY UP FRONT AND I THINK SOME WOULD LEAVE BECAUSE OF IT!!

[rembrant2coo]

hi me                i dont associate my self with fife fed or anything near there just passing comment on the shipshod fashion theywork and how they have got there self in to the predicatament there in obviously some onehas cocked it up and the old @young are suffering because of it   fifer is right the ones who fly big teams are laughing the others subsidising them all wrong i saybut that is fife fed all along as isaid the brains left two years ago and look at them now  new transporter all paid for and money in the bank growing steadily with another £1000 goingin from arace night  8)  

[square_peg]

JUST A WEE UPDATE,NOBODY HAS TO PAY THE BIRDAGE FEE "UPFRONT" IT CAN BE PAID ON A WEEKLY BASIS THROUGHOUT THE SEASON.

[ALF]

JUST A WEE UPDATE,NOBODY HAS TO PAY THE BIRDAGE FEE "UPFRONT" IT CAN BE PAID ON A WEEKLY BASIS THROUGHOUT THE SEASON.

 

 

YOU STILL SHOULDNAE HAVE TO PAY THE SAME AS A GUY WHO SENDS 100 EVERY WEEK IF YOU ONLY SEND 10