lost one house.

[johno]

it is interesting to see how most of the politics has been classified as vengeful spiteful hateful. the reality of racing pigeons in scotland is. Mr and Mrs Stevie Davidson of Kilwinning have lost their house to pay a lawyers bill which was in part due to the actions of the ruling organisation failing to act responsibly. the equivalent to a warrant sale was performed in June of last year. this was for a bill of £17000 for a layer acting on behalf of Kilwinning pigeon club. the ironic thing about this situation was that Mr and Mrs Davidson had no legal representation. i am not aware of anyone else mentioning this on the forum. i have serious doubts as to whether the post will be left alone as it hits too near the bone for most. i see many posts about raising funds for so called good causes. this makes me squirm when i see the stance being taken by the scottish pigeon fancy. i wonder if people were in the same position would they be talking about nice poems and the love of the sport. the continued attempt to brush over this situation by attempting to label some posters al mal intentioned is sickening. another situation where ridiculous suspensions have bee given out is completely ignored. any reference to these issues is quickly attacked and pushed to the side. the recent actions of seemingly top officials has been ignored and indeed in some posts used to ridicule anyone with a sense of decency and fairness. this will be my last post on any issue on this forum. if you are all happy to go on with the witch hunting and acceptance of situations which are blatantly wrong and repugnant then so be it. it only takes decent people to stand back and say nothing to allow wrong doing to take over. HAD ENOUGH. i am sure that Mr and Mrs Davidson have but unfortunately they will have to keep fighting in an attempt to survive.

[gangster]

I DONT KNOW THE STORY BUT MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM LOSING THERE HOME THIS WAY...........................

[paddymac]

I thought that pigeon racing was a hobby that was supposed to be enjoyed by all. Very sad time for a lot of people involved with pigeons at the moment, especially in Scotland. :(

[Guest]

Its not right that any situation should be allowed to deteriorate to the point of someone losing their home.

 

I do not know Mr & Mrs Davidson or their case, but from reading the scant detail given they appear to have been victims of extremely poor advice, extremely poor confidants and extremely poor case preparation.

 

And bringing it to our attention 9 months after the event doesn't allow any of us to offer Mr & Mrs Davidson any help or guidance. Basically brought a 'fait accompli' but I hope they have at least now consulted a lawyer, and if not the Citizens Advice Bureau would be my next call.  

 

 

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Its not right that any situation should be allowed to deteriorate to the point of someone losing their home.

 

I do not know Mr & Mrs Davidson or their case, but from reading the scant detail given they appear to have been victims of extremely poor advice, extremely poor confidants and extremely poor case preparation.

 

And bringing it to our attention 9 months after the event doesn't allow any of us to offer Mr & Mrs Davidson any help or guidance. Basically brought a 'fait accompli' but I hope they have at least now consulted a lawyer, and if not the Citizens Advice Bureau would be my next call.  

 

 

 

 

was posted about on the forum before bruno , but at that time no names were given as to who it was

 

[Guest]

 

was posted about on the forum before bruno , but at that time no names were given as to who it was

 

I didn't see it Tammy. I for one would have jumped in to help in any way I could.

[maverick]

JOHNO   WERE YOU NOT ON THIS FORUM BEFORE UNDER ANOTHER NAME AS THIS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN POSTED UP BEFORE.

[pigeonscout]

I was always lead to believe that they could not take the roof from over you head everything else yes but not your house. The only people that can take your house are those people who have lent you money on the security of it.

[pigeonscout]

Modern day house insurance also covers legal fees and not many know that.

[HOMER49]

Hi Peter (tenyear)Waffle

How many lawyers did mr and mrs davidson have and sack and try to sue ?

Homer 49

[Guest WINGS 04]

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO IN PIGEONS THAT WOULD NEED A LAWYER AND TO LOSS YOUR HOUSE

[HOMER49]

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO IN PIGEONS THAT WOULD NEED A LAWYER AND TO LOSS YOUR HOUSE

Hi Rab

Try to sue your own club and members After several lawyers who told them to drop the case No was the answer and he lost the case

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[frank-123]

no worries for u wings as you don't have any club members to sue

its a pity the shu or lanarkshire fed never took up your case so you were able to fly in a club as all club have closed there boundary's or wont let you into there clubs

 

the shu/lanarkshire as a matter of urgency's should look into your case before the seasons starts and force a club to open there radius to allow wings to race

[gangster]

sue members for what homer49

[johno]

homer you are not as well informed as anyone with any principles would need to be to comment. your posts are wrong and highlight exactly the points i was attempting to make in the original post. anyone wanting to know anymore should ask questions. enquire with an open mind. do not accept what one side or other says. get all the information. get the paperwork  and then decide. faillure to do this is causing the problems. pigeonscout many people believed what you believed about the house. they were wrong it has gone. along with life policies and everything else. i would pose one other question to homer. if the matter was as straght forward as your post would have us belive why has it taken 8 or 9 years to arrive at the point it is now. even the more dense of us would see that there was something seriously complicated in the matter. regardless of what the whole story is you would still have us believe it is their own fault. thirty five years building a family home and then gone over a miniscule pigeon issue. at a time when they should be enjoying their family and grand children the davidsons are having to attempt to start all over again. our beloved sport. we all have to share the blame at least.

[gangster]

SORRY JOHNO I ASKED A QUESTION WHY DID THEY SUE THE MEMBERS AND WHY IF TOLD DID THEY CONTINUE DOWN THIS DISASTEROUS ROAD PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME, ALSO I PRESUME YOUR QUOTE....WE ALL HAVE TO SHARE THE BLAME......REFERS TO THE SCOTTISH FANCY................I AWAIT YOUR REPLY....

[Guest]

Again without knowing the facts ... and you now say this outcome was 8/9 years in the making... the last bit of your last post should surely ring warning bells that you appear to be trying to lay blame in the wrong quarter:

 

"thirty five years building a family home and then gone over a miniscule pigeon issue. at a time when they should be enjoying their family and grand children the davidsons are having to attempt to start all over again. our beloved sport. we all have to share the blame at least. "

 

With respect, anyone who puts their family and family home at risk over any miniscule matter is anything but blameless: they are surely guilty of at least getting their priorities badly, sadly wrong, and exercising extremely poor judgement, not once but a number of times over the years that you say this has gone on.

 

Their carrying on regardless in what must have been steadily worsening circumstances can't have gone unnoticed to friends & family alike. No doubt there were those who should have cautioned 'stop' but perhaps didn't, and those who egged-them-on, and should have stopped, but didn't ... these are perhaps the 'few' to blame, not the majority of pigeon fanciers in Scotland who perhaps like me, weren't even in pigeons when this began and / or knew nothing about this case.

 

What did you do to help the Davidsons?

[johno]

the club was not sued. the davidsons were trying to keep their membership. they never resigned. bruno you are off again. this situation is horrendous regardless of how it is portrayed. in the original post i mention the words part due. in any walk in life we all must take resposibility. would it not be possible to set up an independant body to look at these situations. something which may help to avoid these situations. i take great offence at your posturing and attempt at vilification in posting the question "what did you do to help the davidsons". as if you were some sort of paragon of right and wrong. your manner is may i suggest patronising and demeaning. i have supported the davidsons by listening and attempting to make the pigeon fancy aware of their situation. i am attempting to get them a fair hearing. i thought that this open forum was the place to make more people aware of the situation. it may well be that independant judges would find against the davidsons. all i am asking is give them a fair chance. where would many of the so called rebels who have wrongly judged be if someone had not stood along with them to highlight the injustice. what is there to be frightened of?

[maverick]

I AM SURE THERE IS A PLACE YOU CAN GO IF YOU THINK A LAWYER HAS GIVEN YOU BAD ADVISE SO LET THE FOLK START THERE .

[Guest]

No, Johno, it is not I who is off again, but you. Refer to your original post. What motive do you see in its content? Please help the Davidsons? No, I think not. Using the Davidsons as your latest excuse to hurl abuse and criticisms at the Scottish Pigeon Fancy? Yes, I think so.

 

If these unfortunate people are still in trouble what has been your advice to them to help resolve it?

 

And if the Davidsons are still in trouble, how can we on this forum help them, with their immediate problem that is?

 

 

 

 

[pigeonscout]

Johno. If  Mr and Mrs Steven Davidson only wanted to keep their membership and as you have said they had no legal representation why did the club feel the need to hire a lawyer? I would have thought that the club would only have hired a lawyer when they got a letter from Mr and Mrs Steven Davidson lawyer.  

[gangster]

SORRY BOYS BUT IVE ASKED A QUESTION TO JOHNO AND STILL NO REPLY PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US ALL TO THE REAL FACTS SO WE MAY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POSTS ARE ABOUT.........................

[HOMER49]

SORRY BOYS BUT IVE ASKED A QUESTION TO JOHNO AND STILL NO REPLY PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US ALL TO THE REAL FACTS SO WE MAY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POSTS ARE ABOUT.........................

Hi gangster

If you are in a club which is in a federation Are your club dues and fed dues taken at club level Or do you pay your fed dues direct to your federation ?

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[maverick]

i feel sorry for what has happened to the davidsons but for the life of me i just cant under stand how it came to this over pigeons , i am not here to have a dig at anyone but to let it go for so long and end up loosing your house over it , i think the davidsons were very ill advised or very silly to let it come to this.

[gangster]

Hi gangster

If you are in a club which is in a federation Are your club dues and fed dues taken at club level Or do you pay your fed dues direct to your federation ?

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

MY FED FEES ARE PAID THROUGH THE CLUB...