PLEASE READ THIS!!

[Roland]

Shouldn't have even got as far as the Case being heard.

He is, was exacting his rights as to the RPRA rules.

Confines of the loft it says... Full stop. Now many are munching about this ruling, and the RPRA are wrong in as much they should state to those of hard to understand what those words mean, not inply, but actually comply. Which the fellow has done.

Canada states Within the Upright of the loft. So bird has to go in to clock in theory. But of course if the Bob Wire or whatever used to contain the birds are further inside still, then so be it.

Gosh within the confines of Quebec. The confines Japan etc.

  So A. fancier who are anti need to take aboard the reality, and the RPRA should stop being ar$e holes and come out and say outright that that is exactly what it means even if I expect mealie mouthed about it.

[Guest stb-]

perhaps theres a little more to this Mick ?? do we know if his flying distance was to the front of his avairy ?? and if the pads are inside the avairy and that it was up and used before he installed E.T.S ??   andy.

 

No whot you are saying andy but when you get pinpointed for your distances the pinn hole

 

can acually be about 25 ft either way.  I  think there is a certain distance you can move your loft without being re measured :)

[dwh]

Shouldn't have even got as far as the Case being heard.

He is, was exacting his rights as to the RPRA rules.

Confines of the loft it says... Full stop. Now many are munching about this ruling, and the RPRA are wrong in as much they should state to those of hard to understand what those words mean, not inply, but actually comply. Which the fellow has done.

Canada states Within the Upright of the loft. So bird has to go in to clock in theory. But of course if the Bob Wire or whatever used to contain the birds are further inside still, then so be it.

Gosh within the confines of Quebec. The confines Japan etc.

  So A. fancier who are anti need to take aboard the reality, and the RPRA should stop being ar$e holes and come out and say outright that that is exactly what it means even if I expect mealie mouthed about it.

 

your right rpra need to clarify the ruling by specifying exactly where within the confines of the loft the pads are to be placed and then inspected by 2 club officials to confirm the the site is legal b4 racing starts this surely stop this happening again

[gangster]

the pads were on an aviery attached 2 a different loft?? not the loft the birds raced and lived in

[Guest lenwadebob]

the pads were on an aviery attached 2 a different loft?? not the loft the birds raced and lived in

 

So on what grounds did the barrister turn the union over Mick :-/

[pjc]

he must have them well trained to land on the pad before going into the loft  :-/

[alex wight]

Having read all about the ets posts up till now, i,m not surprised by these actions. The governing bodies and the manufacturers of the systems, have only themselves to blame. There are NO strict rules for the usage of the systems, and if there are half hearted rules, they all vary between unions. We in the united kingdom require a set of rules (and pictures if need be) to show and explain the proper way to use the systems. This will be the first of many situations i fear, and we need to approach our unions to put these rules out as soon as possible.

[steve d]

he must have them well trained to land on the pad before going into the loft  :-/

 

I was thinking the same m8.

 

 

[gangster]

 

So on what grounds did the barrister turn the union over Mick :-/

 

im gonna find out n come back 2 u

[gangster]

he must have them well trained to land on the pad before going into the loft  :-/

 

this is true phil

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

im gonna find out n come back 2 u

 

Thanks Mick

[Roland]

the pads were on an aviery attached 2 a different loft?? not the loft the birds raced and lived in

 

Mick, it IS perfectly legal.

I, like many more, and certainly the RPRA can't understand where the diffenItions isn't contrite and straight to the point.

iT doesn't matter a jot how anyone wishes to interprete it. Facts as facts. And if the aviary is deemed to be within the confines of the loft, which is adjacent, or if in same garden allotment or even town etc. then that is just what the ruling means.

Gosh glad it's not within the confines of Australia, some size that  ... within the confines of the Northern Hemisphere? :-/

Google it. Confine, onfined, and confines, all have completely different meaning  - which is logical or they would only need one word.

[dwh]

the pads were on an aviery attached 2 a different loft?? not the loft the birds raced and lived in

 

thats what i'm trying to say gangster  the pad position ruling should stipulate where in the loft it is be placed not just within the confines of the loft  

[Roland]

 

thats what i'm trying to say gangster  the pad position ruling should stipulate where in the loft it is be placed not just within the confines of the loft  

 

That be as it may, but the fact is, that it is 'Within the Confines' full top.

[ovy1255]

how many fanciers have picked up their pigeon outside the loft and taken the rubber off to clock it?

gps can be built into ets as unikon advertised so as long as the pigeon was clocked within the correct location of the loft does it matter where in ,on or under you have trained it to go to clock.

JUST A THOUGHT-and if this is true and he is inside the ruling,he isnt doing anything wrong.

[phil411]

well im new and ive asking this for my pads and was talking to a few lads local and 3 out of 5 said ur pads can be in the aviry as long as the ends r boards then it is classed as a shed ... now i dont know it that is right or wrong .....

[Guest frank dooman]

was only a matter of time untill something like this would happen  ??)

 

100% sammy we all know or should know that the rules of all unions are there for the good guys its fact that you could drive a double decker through every unions rules and a good lawyer/barrister would distroy them, couple that with the fact that if a member was intilted to legal aid as most would be its not in the best interist of that union to fight any case thats why it got in in the first place we all know that the majority of fanciers did not want it, so when the unions rolled over to the threat of bieng taken to court that was the start of the end we can no longer police our sport for the threat of litigation that would cost thousands every time some one wanted there own way sad but true remember the people who 1st started to introduce lawyers to our sport and this is not just about ets its about the money men

[jacksafc]

Having read all about the ets posts up till now, i,m not surprised by these actions. The governing bodies and the manufacturers of the systems, have only themselves to blame. There are NO strict rules for the usage of the systems, and if there are half hearted rules, they all vary between unions. We in the united kingdom require a set of rules (and pictures if need be) to show and explain the proper way to use the systems. This will be the first of many situations i fear, and we need to approach our unions to put these rules out as soon as possible.

 

Surely the rule states the pads must be within the confines of the loft, how much clearer does it need to be.  

 

[Guest frank dooman]

the pads were on an aviery attached 2 a different loft?? not the loft the birds raced and lived in

 

that has nothing to do with it mick the loft is measured to the nearest point to the race point there is nothing in the rules to say how long or shape the lofts must be there is no other way to do it so it doesnt matter which loft a bird stays in aslong as its within the given tolerance i think its 50ft apart just another loop hole but lets not turn this into another ets thing its not about it its about someone with money exployting the system and thats a sign of the times iam afraid

[Guest Jargre-]

IVE JUST HAD A PHONE CALL AND THINK THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS GONNA  CAUSE BIG TROUBLE.........IM LEAD 2 BELIEVE A WELL KNOWN AND GOOD FLYER  IN MERSEYSIDE WAS UP BEFORE WESTON REGION  FRIDAY IN REGARDS WERE HIS ETS PADS ARE PLACED...THEY ARE PLACED ON AN AVIERY....NOW IM LEAD TO BELIEVE THEY DROP ON 2 IT THEN FLY 2 THE Y/B LOFT..AND THAT WAS CONFIRMED BY PICTURES...BUT APPARENTLY SAID MEMBER WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT BROUGHT A BARRISTER AND WON THE CASE AND HAD ALL RESULTS PUT BACK HE HAD WON.......NOW HERES THE QUESTION  BY WINNING HIS CASE DOES THIS OPEN THE DOORS TO PLACE YOUR ETS P[ADS WERE U WANT OR DO YOU FOLLOW RPRA RULES????

Yes, technically he has set a legal precident and that's what our Laws are based on.  

 

[Roland]

The RPRA knew exactly what this meant, in both the wording, and the happening. They will merrily sit by twiddling thumbs and be content to say nothing. In reality they needn't either because A. I

[Roland]

The RPRA knew exactly what this meant, in both the wording, and the happening. They will merrily sit by twiddling thumbs and be content to say nothing. In reality they needn't either because A. It states within the confines, so there you have it. No need to elabrolate etc. doesn't matter a jot. Whilst many are arguing, other will st up and have their Pads' within the confines legally, whether inside the loft, on a chimney or where ever. It will run it's course and then nigh everyone - if there aren't any already doing it, where they find is the best place to hace then. Chimney is a bit dicey of course, a it might land for a change and trap straight off lol   ;D

[Guest IB]

All my pigeons have only one way in to the loft and that is through an aviary at one end of it. I have only one ets trap and that is on a door between the aviary and the corridor, and every bird, young, old & stock, goes through it. Birds land just in front of the trap.

 

So you cannot say that an aviary is not part of the loft (s), the fancier was quite right to take this to appeal, and he was quite right to have good legal representation with him. Not the rules at fault here, just someone trying to complicate a very simple thing: since when is an aviary not a loft?

[spurs]

I TOUGH IT WAS WITH IN THE CONFINDS OF THE LOFT OR THE TRAPPING AREA IS TRAP SOME THING YOU CANT GET OUT OF :o

[gangster]

I TOUGH IT WAS WITH IN THE CONFINDS OF THE LOFT OR THE TRAPPING AREA IS TRAP SOME THING YOU CANT GET OUT OF :o

 

no because u see the 1 loft trapping systems birds can clock and back out of tunnels