Throwing Up

[buster151]

can anyone tell me why a couple youngsters who when flying around for a short while start throwing up

[Wiley]

Sounds like you have the starts of young bird sickness mate

[Guest Owen]

Your birds probably have the start of Young Bird Sickness which many now believe is a variant of Paramixo Virus. You need to vaccinate the birds with preferably a water based vaccine. Young pigeons should be vaccinated twice. The first time around 5 weeks old and again 4 weeks later. I often hear of people vaccinating youngsters at weaning time or even in the nest but there is a risk that youngsters will still retain a level of immunity from the parents. The birds that are to be used to breed youngsters should be vaccinated in late November or early December to ensure that they are less likely to pass the virus to their young. Vaccinated parents will pass their immunity on to their young which results in the youngsters retaining a low level of immunity after they are weaned. When the antibodies are present in the young you need to wait a few weeks to ensure the vaccine is effective. The second vaccination will pick up any youngsters that were not protected the first time it was done.

[walterboswell59]

bang on owen

[walterboswell59]

bang on owen

but if he has jagged its thush or fungal infection

[William Reid]

but if he has jagged its thush or fungal infection

Could also just be wet canker

[Guest chad3646]

Could also just be wet canker

 

 

wet canker, your wet behind the ears :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[William Reid]

wet canker, your wet behind the ears :emoticon-0138-thinking:

Better to be wet behind the ears than soft in the head m8

[TheHigg]

Better to be wet behind the ears than soft in the head m8

get in there BILLY BHOY

[buster151]

Thank you all for replies, yes they have been jagged couple months ago

 

Could also just be wet canker

what is wet canker? and what would i be looking for?

[Guest chad3646]

Thank you all for replies, yes they have been jagged couple months ago

 

 

what is wet canker? and what would i be looking for?

 

 

i think you will wait a while on that answer

[greenlands]

Thank you all for replies, yes they have been jagged couple months ago

 

 

what is wet canker? and what would i be looking for?

 

http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/Articles/Race_Form_Part1.html

[Guest Owen]

Wet canker is a term that Colin Walker the Australian Vet came up with. It is just canker of the crop and throat. Sometimes people mistake yeast for canker when they see a cheesy growth in the throat so it is possible that Colin Walker uses that term to distinguish the one from the other.

The best treatment for yeast infection is Lugols Iodine and regular use of chopped garlic in the water. Whenever antibiotics are used with birds yeast infections usually follow.

[buster151]

Thank you everyone for replies

[Guest IB]

You don't actually say that it is the same pigeons you have seen throwing up but if it is you shouldn't be allowing them to continue to mix freely with your other pigeons after having witnessed it the first time. At first sign of 'trouble' you need to isolate them from the others, preferably in a box each, so that the other birds are safe from infection - if there is one. Then you can keep a watchful eye on each bird for any other signs: poor droppings, further sickness, loss of condition etc., or until you find out for certain what you are dealing with.

 

The other thing you don't say is what these pigeons threw up, when they were last fed, and where they'd been before being sick. If it was grain, you want to know if it was freshly eaten, or whether its been in the crop for a while - simply picking the grain up and sniffing it will tell you which it is - if it smells of alcohol its a sign that the bird has crop retention: the grain has been in there for a lot longer than normal, and there's now yeast in there causing it to ferment; if not, then there is likely another reason why the bird has brought it back up, e.g eaten something which it shouldn't have e.g. a beetle or a slater,or contaminated feed, or drunk something foul from a gutter - all of which the crop will eject, together with everything else in it at the time.

 

I hope you get to the bottom of it soon.

[Guest chad3646]

You don't actually say that it is the same pigeons you have seen throwing up but if it is you shouldn't be allowing them to continue to mix freely with your other pigeons after having witnessed it the first time. At first sign of 'trouble' you need to isolate them from the others, preferably in a box each, so that the other birds are safe from infection - if there is one. Then you can keep a watchful eye on each bird for any other signs: poor droppings, further sickness, loss of condition etc., or until you find out for certain what you are dealing with.

 

The other thing you don't say is what these pigeons threw up, when they were last fed, and where they'd been before being sick. If it was grain, you want to know if it was freshly eaten, or whether its been in the crop for a while - simply picking the grain up and sniffing it will tell you which it is - if it smells of alcohol its a sign that the bird has crop retention: the grain has been in there for a lot longer than normal, and there's now yeast in there causing it to ferment; if not, then there is likely another reason why the bird has brought it back up, e.g eaten something which it shouldn't have e.g. a beetle or a slater,or contaminated feed, or drunk something foul from a gutter - all of which the crop will eject, together with everything else in it at the time.

 

I hope you get to the bottom of it soon.

hear hear there is to many people saying it is this it is that without it being tested for anything

[buster151]

You don't actually say that it is the same pigeons you have seen throwing up but if it is you shouldn't be allowing them to continue to mix freely with your other pigeons after having witnessed it the first time. At first sign of 'trouble' you need to isolate them from the others, preferably in a box each, so that the other birds are safe from infection - if there is one. Then you can keep a watchful eye on each bird for any other signs: poor droppings, further sickness, loss of condition etc., or until you find out for certain what you are dealing with.

 

The other thing you don't say is what these pigeons threw up, when they were last fed, and where they'd been before being sick. If it was grain, you want to know if it was freshly eaten, or whether its been in the crop for a while - simply picking the grain up and sniffing it will tell you which it is - if it smells of alcohol its a sign that the bird has crop retention: the grain has been in there for a lot longer than normal, and there's now yeast in there causing it to ferment; if not, then there is likely another reason why the bird has brought it back up, e.g eaten something which it shouldn't have e.g. a beetle or a slater,or contaminated feed, or drunk something foul from a gutter - all of which the crop will eject, together with everything else in it at the time.

 

I hope you get to the bottom of it soon.

Yes it is the same 2 birds only, and only when let out for fly droppings are perfect, as there is always food in feeder it could be from previous night or what they have eaten before being let out, in the loft there is never anything from them its like a nervous reaction to being let out(thats the only way i can explain it) and this is the result from it

[Guest Owen]

Sorry Mate but I have to say it! What are you doing leaving food in the loft after the birds have eaten? This is very bad practise as far as I am concerned. Letting them eat all they want when you put food down is good but I reckon that you should pick up what is left. In this respect pigeons are the same as dogs. Never leave food hanging about, ever. When you are training either dogs or pigeons they have to know where the food comes from and they must be rewarded when they get things right.

[Guest IB]

Yes it is the same 2 birds only, and only when let out for fly droppings are perfect, as there is always food in feeder it could be from previous night or what they have eaten before being let out, in the loft there is never anything from them its like a nervous reaction to being let out(thats the only way i can explain it) and this is the result from it

 

I feed a similar system but I remove the feeder last thing at night and return the uneaten grains to the storage bin. I believe leaving feeding out overnight encourages mice - you don't want them in your loft. Maybe just nerves as you say, could be your opening-up routine frightens them in some way. Worth looking into to try and break this pattern before it becomes a habit with them. Try talking to the birds before you enter the loft, just to warn them you're about.

[buster151]

maybe that's what I need to do, thank you

[William Reid]

i think you will wait a while on that answer

Hope you had a look at greenlands post .and a super doo man like you had never heard of WET CANKER .

 

Think guys on the site will know how's the MORON

[Guest chad3646]

Hope you had a look at greenlands post .and a super doo man like you had never heard of WET CANKER .

 

Think guys on the site will know how's the MORON

 

 

i did not say i had never heard of wet canker i said use are all throwing you thruppence worth in and use have never seen the pigeon

[Guest IB]

I'd a discussion with a club mate recently on canker and referred him to an article by Leon Whitney in his book 'Keep Your Pigeons Flying' that I'd read in 1960's about it, back when this disease and cocci (then called 'going light') were really feared by fanciers. I didn't understand it back then, but Gordon Chalmers did an article referring to the same experiments & immunity which made it really clear. This is a link to a later article on canker by Gordon Chalmers. It's worth reading.

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/topic/69380-canker-strains/page__pid__863912__st__0entry863912

[buster151]

A very good interesting read thank you

[Guest chad3646]

A very good interesting read thank you

 

 

 

 

it is brilliant that google