Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Whats the best system to use when racing ?? what system do you people use and why ?? , how many people race the natural system and what do you use as motivators , how many use the darkness system for their youngbirds and what are the advantages and disadvantages ?? and when flying widowhood is it best to just fly cocks or race the hens as well?? i hope to start racing with youngbirds next year and want to work out what i`m going to do , whats the best way to start racing is it best just to keep things simple to start with Cheers andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I think it's best to start the natural way then you will understand motivation more when you try new systems later in life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATTY BHOY Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 This was my first full year with old birds,raced on the natural system with a bit jealiousy thown in worked ok for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Thanks , i`m thinking natural to start with and think i`ll leave things like the darkness system alone , if you didn`t get the darkness system right what harm or damage could you do to the youngbirds ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 In my opinion pal I will give the same advice i got...... go natural you need to learn what makes pigeons tick how to get them right etc before you can play about with systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 yer that`s what i`m thinking , but just find it interesting , is one system just as good as the next if done properly .............say natural against widowhood ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 In my opinion pal I will give the same advice i got...... go natural you need to learn what makes pigeons tick how to get them right etc before you can play about with systems Good advice too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepigeonman Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I know natural flyers beating widowhood and round about my friend bet round about with his natural system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Whats the best system to use when racing ?? what system do you people use and why ?? , how many people race the natural system and what do you use as motivators , how many use the darkness system for their youngbirds and what are the advantages and disadvantages ?? and when flying widowhood is it best to just fly cocks or race the hens as well?? i hope to start racing with youngbirds next year and want to work out what i`m going to do , whats the best way to start racing is it best just to keep things simple to start with Cheers andy. My father always said if you can't win racing birds Naturally you would never win using any other system. So going by his tutelage IMO! Go natural and don't pair up before Feb 14th, remember to have plenty of pot eggs on hand so the racers aren't rearing Yb's all year and race your Yb's naturally too, by that i mean just leave them all together and race them to the perch, if you get some pairing up and nesting slip them pot eggs before the hen lays out and they should sit on them after a day or 2. imo, no young Hen should lay and no Yb should rear Yb's, jmo mind.I tried roundabout and widowhood ( with a little success ) and now race them Celibate until half way through the race program before pairing the racers up, and if i kept up my side of the bargain they would be winning when raced this way. Clear as Mud!!!The other way is to make them race a system to suit your personal routine and eventually you will have a team that fit in with you rather than the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Good advice too. Ok not saying it`s not good advice but can you explain why , what damage can be done to birds by not getting a system right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 My father always said if you can't win racing birds Naturally you would never win using any other system. So going by his tutelage IMO! Go natural and don't pair up before Feb 14th, remember to have plenty of pot eggs on hand so the racers aren't rearing Yb's all year and race your Yb's naturally too, by that i mean just leave them all together and race them to the perch, if you get some pairing up and nesting slip them pot eggs before the hen lays out and they should sit on them after a day or 2. imo, no young Hen should lay and no Yb should rear Yb's, jmo mind.I tried roundabout and widowhood ( with a little success ) and now race them Celibate until half way through the race program before pairing the racers up, and if i kept up my side of the bargain they would be winning when raced this way. Clear as Mud!!!The other way is to make them race a system to suit your personal routine and eventually you will have a team that fit in with you rather than the other way round.Cheers mate , great info thanks makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Ok not saying it`s not good advice but can you explain why , what damage can be done to birds by not getting a system right??It's not the birds pal its YOU imo your need to learn the ins and outs and everything that get's a pigeon going how it get's motivated etc i am still at this stage too mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Cheers mate , great info thanks makes sense I really should have emphasised ROUTINE ROUTINE ROUTINE, same thing every day at the same time, give or take 30mins, if you can maintain a routine, success will follow, so long as you keep them fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I really should have emphasised ROUTINE ROUTINE ROUTINE, same thing every day at the same time, give or take 30mins, if you can maintain a routine, success will follow, so long as you keep them fit.The same words you said to me John when I was up your loft about two years ago ROUTINE ROUTINE ROUTINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I really should have emphasised ROUTINE ROUTINE ROUTINE, same thing every day at the same time, give or take 30mins, if you can maintain a routine, success will follow, so long as you keep them fit.John's spot-on routine routine to the minute or forget it whatever system you fly ,personally cocks widowhood less time and more chance being with the winners hens would love to say widowhood but not figured the magic ingredient with that one so will keep them natural till I find out properly Working on that one lol .Good luck whatever suits you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 It's not the birds pal its YOU imo your need to learn the ins and outs and everything that get's a pigeon going how it get's motivated etc i am still at this stage too mate I understand what you are saying geordie and i agree with you and that`s why i don`t want to start with a more advanced system , i raced pigeons 25 year ago and always natural , just been reading about the darkness system and i know it involves bringing the moult on and basicallyfast forwarding the young bird into an adult , what i wanted to know was if a person was to get the system wrong what harm as in how much of a setback in the youngbirds development could this have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Ok not saying it`s not good advice but can you explain why , what damage can be done to birds by not getting a system right?? What I wrote isn't about systems, more about whats best for yourself. Observing pigeons going through the breeding cycles, the moult and trying to figure out what makes them tick is best done being amongst them as much as possible, something you wouldn't be able to do as extensive if they were on widowhood or roundabout. Best of luck and remain patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I really should have emphasised ROUTINE ROUTINE ROUTINE, same thing every day at the same time, give or take 30mins, if you can maintain a routine, success will follow, so long as you keep them fit. Thanks mate , makes complete sense , i will need a routine to fit in with my work and the pigeons , so that will give me something to think over.Cheers andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I understand what you are saying geordie and i agree with you and that`s why i don`t want to start with a more advanced system , i raced pigeons 25 year ago and always natural , just been reading about the darkness system and i know it involves bringing the moult on and basicallyfast forwarding the young bird into an adult , what i wanted to know was if a person was to get the system wrong what harm as in how much of a setback in the youngbirds development could this have. The only drawback would be the youngsters not casting their last flight. If this were to happen when they cast their first flight as yearling they will also cast their last flight too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northern monkey Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 What I wrote isn't about systems, more about whats best for yourself. Observing pigeons going through the breeding cycles, the moult and trying to figure out what makes them tick is best done being amongst them as much as possible, something you wouldn't be able to do as extensive if they were on widowhood or roundabout. Best of luck and remain patient. Cheers mate makes sense mate, basically it`s all about gaining experience and to be honest i prefer to keep things as simple as possible , but just want to get a plan in my head of how i`m going to do things. Cheers andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dava Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 good pigeons will won on any system providing they are looked after properley by that i mean all the year round not just when the racing season comes around get a good feeding routine there is plenty of info out there on how to feed pigeons at certain times of the year breeding .racing and moulting time .observation is your biggest key as if you whatch the pigeons they will tell you when there right or not imo youve got to be prepared to put the extra effort in if you want to be in the winners list and always remember the races are won in the loft .i fly round about and get my wee turn but still learning cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 good pigeons will won on any system providing they are looked after properley by that i mean all the year round not just when the racing season comes around get a good feeding routine there is plenty of info out there on how to feed pigeons at certain times of the year breeding .racing and moulting time .observation is your biggest key as if you whatch the pigeons they will tell you when there right or not imo youve got to be prepared to put the extra effort in if you want to be in the winners list and always remember the races are won in the loft .i fly round about and get my wee turn but still learning cheersHello Davie I take it you and Walter will be neck and neck again going into the last race who's leading must be tight ya pair a bass as :emoticon-0136-giggle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dava Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 ive no idea billy il tell you better the morra night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 ive no idea billy il tell you better the morra night Ok da :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Davie how many did you go with .i was on the phone with the old yin the other day and he was talking about sending 12 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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