Delboy Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Posted June 11, 2013 It mentions Carbofuran as being particularly lethal to raptors. It's not often they release information like that. Oh, I never read that bit,
Novice Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 It was reported in 2012 that whilst Wildlife Minister in the UK, Richard Benyon, who owns both pheasant and grouse shoots, refused a request from other MPs that possession of carbofuran should be made a criminal offence.[10] Green Party MP Caroline Lucas was quoted as saying: "The minister's shocking refusal to outlaw the possession of a poison used only by rogue gamekeepers to illegally kill birds of prey would be inexplicable were it not for his own cosy links to the shooting lobby."[10]
geordie1234 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 See if the bop continue the way they are going do the RSPB not realise that they will become more common and less of an attraction because they won't be so rare?? It will end up they will kill the bop and re-introduce song birds and the likes too generate money.
Novice Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 See if the bop continue the way they are going do the RSPB not realise that they will become more common and less of an attraction because they won't be so rare?? It will end up they will kill the bop and re-introduce song birds and the likes too generate money. Yes they will have a target and when they have reached that they will then start to support other species such as sparrows and starlings. The public will fund this project no problem.
Guest chad3646 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 See if the bop continue the way they are going do the RSPB not realise that they will become more common and less of an attraction because they won't be so rare?? It will end up they will kill the bop and re-introduce song birds and the likes too generate money. correct george i used to love waking up to the dawn chorus, now all you hear is the odd blackbird or thrush the rspb must realise this aswell
Delboy Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Posted June 11, 2013 I guarantee the game is finished unless we act. I reckon from Moffat up to Lanarkshire, its so densely populated with bop it makes the sport a lottery.
just ask me Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 we as pigeon fanciers fill the sky with food when they most need it our racing seasons revolve around there breeding season also the young falcons get all the practise they need with our young ones a large number of bop survive because they have a unusually large supply of food due to our breeding and racing seasons a change in the racing season would have a big effect on the amount of young falcons that reach adulthood
Delboy Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Posted June 11, 2013 we as pigeon fanciers fill the sky with food when they most need it our racing seasons revolve around there breeding season also the young falcons get all the practise they need with our young ones a large number of bop survive because they have a unusually large supply of food due to our breeding and racing seasons a change in the racing season would have a big effect on the amount of young falcons that reach adulthood What do you suggest m8
just ask me Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 What do you suggest m8 there would be no point in a few organisations changing there race program it would have to be on a massive scale maybe the old bird program could stay similar but the young bird program be pushed later on in the year i really haven't thought it out fully tbh there would not be a quick fix and would not solve the problem either but no single solution would have that effect jmo it just seems madness that we fill the skys exactly at the right time when they most need it how many young would not survive past the nest or even when they leave the nest and they dont have the required hunting skills to survive at the moment they have any amount of food we all watch wildlife programs and the first year is where most hunters die due to not having the required hunting skills only the strongest survive at the moment i believe the survival rate of falcons living past the first year stage is not natural at all
blucock Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 first things first - as SOON as the season is up LOCK THE BIRDS UP. The racing calendar needs looking at - tbh any age races may be necessary for the next 5 years to condense the programmes and avoid as much as possible the PEAK weeks of the year... Early breeding of YBs and earlier starts of YB racing as well as avoidance of saturation areas (for lobbing at least) if it means reducing the season to 8 weeks for OB and 5 weeks for YBs for a few season so be it? They will thrive less without this large part of their food source provided to them and by default we won't feel the need to breed and race bigger teams to get through the programme - in essence reversing the trend which has in effect been a vicious circle in the last 10 years Can we do it? Have a real effect by fair means? The answer is YES but we MUST get round the table this autumn. Every federation represented under the banner of the SHU and a STRATEGY agreed (as opposed to tactics) Breeding more YBs is a tactic (short term results gain for the fancier) denying BOP their food source is a strategy (long term gain for the whole fancy) I study military tactics in my day job and I see parallels in warfare to our fight to further the sport. I hope that is all making sense?
THE FIFER Posted June 11, 2013 Report Posted June 11, 2013 4 posts already moved we have explained this over and over, re posting on an open forum, and try to let members have a say without dangering the site, but always comes up, so will close this one now, I hope those having problems are reporting them to the RAPTOR ALLIANCE,, wont move the thread as some useful posts
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