Unikon Help.

[alex wight]

I was speaking to Unikon today regarding a members clock, and at the same time asked them to confirm how i was doing our result.

 

Here is the problem:

 

theres 2 ets systems set up at marking (system a & system b )

 

system a is set at 1.00pm

 

system b is set at 1.02pm(operator error).

 

member puts his birds through system a (clock set at 1.00pm)

 

after the race member puts his clock through system b.

 

on his print out it shows

 

set time 1:00:00

flyers clock 1:00:00

 

strike time 6:00:00

flyers clock 6:02:00

 

Now the problem i have is, do i leave the arrival times as they are printed. Or do i add 2 minutes onto the times.

 

Unikon didnt really have a clue but tried to give an explanation, and confused me in the process.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

alex

Edited June 3, 2013 by alex wight

[Williedoo]

I was speaking to Unikon today regarding a members clock, and at the same time asked them to confirm how i was doing our result.

 

Here is the problem:

 

theres 2 ets systems set up at marking (system a & system b )

 

system a is set at 1.00pm

 

system b is set at 1.02pm(operator error).

 

member puts his birds through system a (clock set at 1.00pm)

 

after the race member puts his clock through system b.

 

on his print out it shows

 

set time 1:00:00

flyers clock 1:00:00

 

strike time 6:00:00

flyers clock 6:02:00

 

Now the problem i have is, do i leave the arrival times as they are printed. Or do i add 2 minutes onto the times.

 

Unikon didnt really have a clue but tried to give an explanation, and confused me in the process.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

alex

Dont realy know.but if you leave them as they are you will only get a variation on the 2 mins.

[demolition man]

I know it gives you a member & master set time and member & master open time on print out.

 

Confused!

 

how do you set a unikon system at fixed time like 1:00? I thought you just got the signal put the members clock in the system marked the birds then print the marking sheet off. then on race night you do the same get the signal members clock in the master and print race birds off,

[Williedoo]

Clubs in Scotland didnt get a radio clock marker.

[demolition man]

Clubs in Scotland didnt get a radio clock marker.

 

so your telling me that the unikon system used in Scotland is different to the English version?

[Williedoo]

Yes,we set time on the club base station manually.

[stevie bannon]

not all of us we use a radio clock

[Walter swanston]

Clubs in Scotland didnt get a radio clock marker.

[Walter swanston]

Not strictly correct I know of at least 4 clubs in Scotland who have invested in a radio clock for their ETS systems

[demolition man]

Yes,we set time on the club base station manually.

 

 

thats just your clock setters choice, all unikon master base have the option to receive a signal its built into the ring marker

[Williedoo]

Not strictly correct I know of at least 4 clubs in Scotland who have invested in a radio clock for their ETS systems

We should have all got 1 for nothing from Unikon. I had a problem last year at the SNFC clocks where a member had a champ with no pocket clock and I had to borrow a radio clock marker to ring it off.

[ovy1255]

alex-so you manually set ,do you use the unikon manager to do the result automatically after you synk your clocks?

[DJL]

Not sure but I think you have a major problem. Are you saying system b was actually set at 1.00 pm but the base station read 1.02 pm?

[alex wight]

As its a fed race we use mysoft race program. we should be able to input ets arrivals without master timers ect, as ets is true.

 

They were both manually set as the professional system requires when bring more than one to a race. For some reason. instead of setting them all at the same time, this error has occured. What should be a simple task has turned into a bit of a nightmare.

 

Lochgelly Homing society uses champ (black ringer) and the rest in fife use professional (grey ringer).

[PIGEON_MAN]

When doing our result I put in the setting times and checking off times of every ETS clock,this is the only way to get a correct variation,ETS CLOCKS ARE NOT ALWAYS CORRECT at strike off, manual clocks are usually all set and checked off at the same time but if not their times are also put into the result programme individually.You cannot do it any other way to get a true flying time as the clock variation will be different if you start adding or taking away minutes to the setting and checking times,or even thinking that the ETS clock is correct at strike off.

[Pego]

When doing our result I put in the setting times and checking off times of every ETS clock,this is the only way to get a correct variation,ETS CLOCKS ARE NOT ALWAYS CORRECT at strike off, manual clocks are usually all set and checked off at the same time but if not their times are also put into the result programme individually.You cannot do it any other way to get a true flying time as the clock variation will be different if you start adding or taking away minutes to the setting and checking times,or even thinking that the ETS clock is correct at strike off.

 

 

Totally agree PIGEON MAN this is the way it should be done.

[hotrod]

Surely they should all be compatible , bad bit of business on unicons part I think . I have the new rounded clock,champ I think, and our club station gets a radio signal to set and chek the clocks . Yes your own base station should match the shape of the pocket clock ,but I think ALL club base stations should be the one type and take all as well as being either manual or radio not one or the other jmho

[alex wight]

When doing our result I put in the setting times and checking off times of every ETS clock,this is the only way to get a correct variation,ETS CLOCKS ARE NOT ALWAYS CORRECT at strike off, manual clocks are usually all set and checked off at the same time but if not their times are also put into the result programme individually.You cannot do it any other way to get a true flying time as the clock variation will be different if you start adding or taking away minutes to the setting and checking times,or even thinking that the ETS clock is correct at strike off.

 

I hear what you are saying. You will be using the same system to mark birds and strike off. On this occasion it involves 2 different sytems which were set differently? fun and games eh. Thanks for your reply.

[hotrod]

And to answer the thread , Alec think u need to have in place , if your birds are through marker A then it has to get checked at marker A , this is the only way of keeping it right

[Williedoo]

After having a think about this would the birds arrival time as on the print out not be the true time of the birds arrival as the clock did not go 2 mins out over a period of time but at checking.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I hear what you are saying. You will be using the same system to mark birds and strike off. On this occasion it involves 2 different sytems which were set differently? fun and games eh. Thanks for your reply.

Makes no difference if the clock is set and checked on different systems,we had that the weekend when people flew with the National Flying Club so clocks were set at the marking station but checked off at our club,the most important thing is when the result is worked out is that the setting time and checking time of each clock be used in working out the result or else a false flying time will be given.

[ovy1255]

alex -the second master shows a 2min variation--- but the clocking time of the birds is correct just master manually set wrong---ets is usually in our club only 1 sec adrift--so as i see you have a dilema i would read his clockings as correct and as there was a variation of two mins from a to b you must call one the master say a is master then alll yes all clocks set on system b must have 2mins variation aplied to bring their clocks in line with all clocks set on a.

just like what you done with t3 clocking in the past.

will unikon not supply ringer with built in radio clock ?

[PIGEON_MAN]

alex -the second master shows a 2min variation--- but the clocking time of the birds is correct just master manually set wrong---ets is usually in our club only 1 sec adrift--so as i see you have a dilema i would read his clockings as correct and as there was a variation of two mins from a to b you must call one the master say a is master then alll yes all clocks set on system b must have 2mins variation aplied to bring their clocks in line with all clocks set on a.

just like what you done with t3 clocking in the past.

will unikon not supply ringer with built in radio clock ?

I,m sorry but if he does that the flying times will not be correct,as I said before it makes no diference that clocks are set on two different systems so long as the setting time and checking times are used in the calculation of the result.

[Williedoo]

I would forget about this 2 min and treat the clock as correct, the arrival time on the print out wont have changed and will be correct.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I was speaking to Unikon today regarding a members clock, and at the same time asked them to confirm how i was doing our result.

 

Here is the problem:

 

theres 2 ets systems set up at marking (system a & system b )

 

system a is set at 1.00pm

 

system b is set at 1.02pm(operator error).

 

member puts his birds through system a (clock set at 1.00pm)

 

after the race member puts his clock through system b.

 

on his print out it shows

 

set time 1:00:00

flyers clock 1:00:00

 

strike time 6:00:00

flyers clock 6:02:00

 

Now the problem i have is, do i leave the arrival times as they are printed. Or do i add 2 minutes onto the times.

 

Unikon didnt really have a clue but tried to give an explanation, and confused me in the process.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

alex

Can you tell me if system b,s time was set correct to Tim or whatever system you set by.