Rspb.. Bird Watch

[ghostrider]

are you bothering to do there survey???

how many wild birds visit your garden in a day.

our lass has done it for the last 3 years.

there questionare..with a picture of each bird,finch,sparrow etc.

ie tick each box.

easy for us to fill in....NONE

and there is a comment box.

enough said.

[OLDYELLOW]

no matter numbers are produced by Joe public they will manipulate results and bops will be and are a endangered species , and a lot of kids be giving over inflated results anyway

[Guest Owen]

I would not do anything to help these Clowns. As long as they carry on suporting the introduction of birds like the White Tailed Eagle, Goshawk, Cranes and Kites and then suport their populations with feeding stations they can count me out. Surely anyone with a brain can see that they are not interested in birds really. They use certain species to create a good profile with the Public so that they can have a very well paid secure job.

These people are more interested in the politics of conflict to give the impression that the Country is full of criminals who are hell bent on damaging wild life. Between them and the Country Landowners they are causing people to loose their jobs and manufacturing Court actions to futher increase the image they have so carefully fostered.

I would like to suport an organisation who are truly interested in birds, all birds. Between these idiots and the suporters of a huge increase in the UK population to a degree where we have to give up our green spaces to make way for houses we are very badly served. They want to survey back gardens. The way we are going there will be very few back gardens in the future. I would be willing to bet that when that happens they will set up places where we can all go to see the birds. And when that happens they will be in the money again because they will be able to charge for the privilage.

[clockman]

A few will be bird watching in Blackpool but looking at the other kind of tits.

[Guest H@wkBait]

Some the song bird populations are down by 91% strange as we dont use dangerous pesticides anymore and hedgrows have been getting replaced for years to give themm back ther habitat but they cant survive with so many hungry predators in the sky years ago we used dangerous pesticides n removed hedgerows n the song bird population was thriving the only difference was then is we didnt have raptor release programmes public and secret the very organisation responsible for protecting our birds is killing them for there own twisted satisfaction i wonder if they have taken in to account the effect all this will have on the eco system probably none tho as up to now they have proven to be dead from the neck up!

[maverick]

A few will be bird watching in Blackpool but looking at the other kind of tits.

 

 

Trust you, the pigeon men only go to blackpool for the pigeons HONEST

[Guest Owen]

Hawk@Bait

nice one and you could not say a truer word. The arguments that the RSPB put is all about the destruction of habitat and like to blame the Farmers. In the area of Wales where I live the mountains have not changed for hundreds of years. Not many years ago when I was looking after my sheep up there, there were a lot of species of birds. These days there are some Meadow Pipits and that is about all you will see. The Peregrines live on the ledges of the rock faces, the Goshawks patrol the woodland and the Spars are ever present in the gardens. These days pigeons and domestic poultry are hunted by all three of these marauders because there is now a shortage of wild food. My wife likes to feed the wild birds and a little while ago she had quite a variety of birds coming to her feeders. Then they got targeted by a couple of Spars so now the wild birds have gone down to a trickle. Of course we could take the advise of the RSPB and let Nature take it's course so that the bird populations would come to their own levels naturally. What rot. They think it is alright to suport certain species of birds while they ignore the plight of many.

[Guest H@wkBait]

There a joke going against there own policies of protecting birds most there funding at the start come from people with bird tables that enjoy the songbirds and now with there funding there releasing an unhealthy amount of raptors and now the bird tables r empty they should be stripped off there Royal status 4 such a crime

[Pompey Mick]

We need to give more support to this group: http://www.songbird-survival.org.uk/save_our_songbirds.html

and divert funds given by bird lovers away from what has become a blood sports society which is now the RSPB .

 

[Guest Owen]

Pompey Mick

I think that the statement from Songbird Survival is a very good piece of work but there seems to a major problem. How do we get it into many hands so that the Public can become involved? For years past we Pigeon People have been talking to each other without finding a way to communicate with the Public at large. While on the other hand the RSPB are very prominent. When ever there is a statement to be made or a Television Programme to be seen they are there with their propaganda. I think I have had enough of wise words and clever statements made by Pigeon Fanciers. We now need to move the debate into the Public arena. To be honest having seen the stuff on the Raptor Alliance I have my doubts as to whether their ideas will get us very far. However what you have found here must surely be the right approach.

[Blue Chequer Pied]

We need to give more support to this group: http://www.songbird-survival.org.uk/save_our_songbirds.html

and divert funds given by bird lovers away from what has become a blood sports society which is now the RSPB .

 

 

 

Agree 100% this is the way to go after it. Joe public are not interested in pigeons. They are interested in protecting the birds in their gardens though. Not all battles are best fought head on! We should all join up and swell their ranks, it can only help our cause.

[Guest H@wkBait]

i agree all the small groups fighting against raptor release should all merge with S.O.S but would they be willing to give the pigeons the publicity they deserve aswell thy may not give a damn about pigeons either National Heroe's if theres ever a bird people should be educated on is the pigeon i bet the RSPB could give there longest speach on pigeons than any other bird in britain if they wanted to its only the fancier can bring public awareness to the situation

[Guest H@wkBait]

theres always plenty of auctions on here and on other sites why has no one in charge of these groups run an auction and used the cash to bring public awareness use the cash to have a few articles posted in national newspapers etc no point posting it in the bhw the public dont buy it

[maverick]

theres always plenty of auctions on here and on other sites why has no one in charge of these groups run an auction and used the cash to bring public awareness use the cash to have a few articles posted in national newspapers etc no point posting it in the bhw the public dont buy it

 

 

I have said for years its time to help ourselves as no one else will if the pigeon fraternity stopped all there charity donations i.e we have blackpool this weekend were thousands of pounds are given to charity and put this money into helping the pigeons through which ever way was though best we might just have a chance in saving this sport. Instead of 3-4 small groups fighting a loosing cause get everyone together under one banner

 

You would soon see all the charity cause we help ever year take notice

[Guest H@wkBait]

im all for charity aswell its all 4 good causes but we really should start at home once our sports dead there will be no donations from the pigeon fraternity it just amazes me why no one has done it to raise funds for public awareness for the plight of the pigeon some one could have made a few thosand car stickers n taken em to blackpool n made a few pound on each sticker theres 4 grand just in a weekend on car stickers highlighting the hawk problem

[Guest Owen]

I think that where we go wrong is that we don't get an agreement from the Charities we support for us to get a fair share of publicity of the sort that would draw attention to what we are doing and where the money actually comes from.

There must be hundreds if not thousands of people out there who have benefited from our help but know nothing about us or our problems.

I totally agree that we should support the Song Bird Survival people but on the condition that we gain publicity from our efforts.

We need to have our name in the newspapers and on the TV so that instead of having the label of "Odd old men who keep flying rats" to "Responsible livestock keepers with a social conscience".

[gulkie]

I have said this for years as well about the charity's stop them just for 1year and make it plain its the

Actions of the R.S.B.P that has caused this it will soon get press coverage and stop all this pissing

About you got to fight money with money.

[Guest H@wkBait]

I think that where we go wrong is that we don't get an agreement from the Charities we support for us to get a fair share of publicity of the sort that would draw attention to what we are doing and where the money actually comes from.

There must be hundreds if not thousands of people out there who have benefited from our help but know nothing about us or our problems.

I totally agree that we should support the Song Bird Survival people but on the condition that we gain publicity from our efforts.

We need to have our name in the newspapers and on the TV so that instead of having the label of "Odd old men who keep flying rats" to "Responsible livestock keepers with a social conscience".

Ur right every charity that has benefited should give us some publicity i know 1 charity nothing to do with this site they recieved a good few thousand and they have a bit on there website about whos donated from what events in what ever month and there nothing there about the auction held on another social networking site by pigeon fanciers for them i think its a disgrace to be honest or maybe the donation was never made who knows

[Michael J Burden]

I have thought of doing the survey but my garden is full of little birds which even includes a Great Crest. Or Gold Crest. But hey that would be helping them wouldn't it.

[Guest H@wkBait]

On the RSPB website there blaming the large numbers of pigeons in gardens because there dominant the small birds wont go near the tables while they are there what a load of nonsense b4 we got louvres the small birds were always going in and out the loft through the spars they also state the sparrow hawk has no impact on songbird populations at all pigeons n magpies they recon are the culprits

[Guest Owen]

H@wkbait

to us what they say is just a lot of nonsense because we know that they are telling lies. And we know that they will say anything that they think will suit their purpose. The trouble is that people believe what they say. After all their main preoccupation is to keep the "Gravy Train" running so that they can carry on earning their fat salaries way into the future. I am often amazed at the ignorance of the General Public when it comes to anything to do with livestock or wildlife. It is easy to see why the RSPB can convince them of anything as long as they say it with a straight face. Worse still is the fact that many of the RSPB Members know little or nothing about the birds they are supposed to protect. I have heard these Clowns talk about the balance of Nature between predator and prey as if it is Gospel without ever understanding that Britain is a Man Made environment which is not at all subject to Nature's Laws in the way it would be had Man not changed things so much.

I think that if we are going to succeed in changing attitudes to Raptors we must try to tell the Public what is happening to the bird life and why it is happening. The one opinion that I share with the RSPB is that we should do all we can to remove Feral and Stray Pigeons from the environment because these disease carrying bunches of feathers are doing us a lot of harm because they give us a very bad image.

[Guest H@wkBait]

Thats the problem they can type n tell all the lies they want whos gonna challenge them on it and im all for a cull off all the wild/feral pigeons but i think that would make the racing pigeons problems worse the only cure is to cull the raptors