Roland Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 ......I HATED THATCHER THEN AND HOPE SHE ROTS IN HELL!!!!!!!!.....A WICKED HEARTLESS *expletive removed*!!!!!!!! MAY SHE PAY FOR HER SINS!!!!!!!!!! !100% agree, even stronger if dared. Real reason was ... as actually drew up in 1976 when she started to lead the s.... Then straight of, the local constabulary had 3 days a week 'Fighting' the Miner's training. Was also being detailed to fight and sort the Dockers out. Reason.... over sea’s investment for her cronies! Coal here to produce here was £26 a ton. Next best coal was Germany’s at £56 a ton. Their’ government subsidised their’ coal by 50% (£28) a ton. But ours needed £3 a ton to make smokeless. Hence £29 per ton! Simple answer was subsidising our coal, which was and is far superior in quality a £1 then further investment via the mining concerns in 'Open' mining. Far far cheaper and better than paying thousands of miners nearly £200 a week on the dole! So after all her cronies had these investments ib Brazil, Taiwan, etc. etc. and then selling our silverware to cover their greedy A. bums we as tax payers have to pick up the bills again. Gosh, for example sells out the British Rail for a pittance with the greasy lie of 'Competition make costs less' and we straight away pay more to subsidise them STILL do! Water. Gas, etc. etc. Then pay through the nose. As watchdog states, No need for a Cartel, only 50p a quarter in real term between the lot. Most Evil woman ever, Worse even than Winston Churchill and Baldwin.
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 hi boys i dont mind being called a scab by a miner who went on strike.Who had it very hard he had to support is family and it must have been very difficult my shoulders are broad enough.to take the abuse off them but to be called a scab by some one who didnt go through the strike . i aint got words to describe you ex miner jack walker You get much abuse for it where you live then?
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 !100% agree, even stronger if dared. Real reason was ... as actually drew up in 1976 when she started to lead the s.... Then straight of, the local constabulary had 3 days a week 'Fighting' the Miner's training. Was also being detailed to fight and sort the Dockers out. Reason.... over sea’s investment for her cronies! Coal here to produce here was £26 a ton. Next best coal was Germany’s at £56 a ton. Their’ government subsidised their’ coal by 50% (£28) a ton. But ours needed £3 a ton to make smokeless. Hence £29 per ton! Simple answer was subsidising our coal, which was and is far superior in quality a £1 then further investment via the mining concerns in 'Open' mining. Far far cheaper and better than paying thousands of miners nearly £200 a week on the dole! So after all her cronies had these investments ib Brazil, Taiwan, etc. etc. and then selling our silverware to cover their greedy A. bums we as tax payers have to pick up the bills again. Gosh, for example sells out the British Rail for a pittance with the greasy lie of 'Competition make costs less' and we straight away pay more to subsidise them STILL do! Water. Gas, etc. etc. Then pay through the nose. As watchdog states, No need for a Cartel, only 50p a quarter in real term between the lot. Most Evil woman ever, Worse even than Winston Churchill and Baldwin. What do you think of how the labour party have turned out like? To be honest I wouldn't say theres that much seperating Tony Blair and fat Gordon from Thatcher they are just champaigne socialists. When it comes to reality their policies are more tory than the tories apart from anything thats trendy like diversity and the rights of the few over the many
Guest chrisss Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 brilliant thread I was just listening to it on the radio I can remember it it was around the time of the supergrass trials here in the 6 counties so while reading about the trials you just went straight onto the minerstrike a real shameful time for the WHOLE of the trade union movement for people like myself it reminded me of the GREAT DUBLIN LOCKOUT in 1914 after the bosses hired scabs thugs the police the RIC for attacks on workers ( the workers organised by James Connolly a trade unionist who travelled from Glasgow later formed the IRISH CITIZEN ARMY who fought in the 1916 EASTER RISING and it was Connolly who had the socialism put into the EASTER PROCLAMATION) the same tactics used by thatcher,mc gregor and others I'm not trying to have the thread locked moved or anything like that (its to important and interesting) but like others I would love to hear about miners, family members experiences were you or a family member on strike please PM me if you like within weeks of the end of the strike 12 pits in Scotland all closed and that was only the start of it 1000's out of work and what has the british labour party done in way of trade union rights nothing time the british trade union movement cut its ties with the labour party (my opinion) pigeon keeping in britain has its roots in the working class areas men working in the pits and the likes not like now when you have MONEY-MEN involved the likes of gangster old yellow grasshopper celtic wings 04 merlin to name but a few good post this and very sadly true
Guest chrisss Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Maggie Thatcher my hero!! She sent the Argies home to think again since i was in the forces at the time,i can comment, if "maggie" had not cut the armed forces to szzz to start with then the "argies" would never have invaded,grenada was part of the Commonwealth and the yanks invaded the place and hero maggie just let them
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 good post this and very sadly true I agree its ironic that new labour are tories and the trade union movement is there biggest backer. Mine had a hissy fit when I demanded to opt out of donating money to their labour link support group. The Unions should keep the cash and give it to charitys or something better than going to labour
Guest IB Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Maggie Thatcher my hero!! She sent the Argies home to think again Not mine or many I'd think. Tried to save a few pounds by withdrawing an ex-icebreaker from 'patrol' in south atlantic sent out the wrong signals that we were no longer interested in that area and 'they' took back what they considered theirs anyway. Got us into a war after we had been war-free for 30+ years, actually bragged about it and won re-election on it thanks to gung-ho England, even though we nearly got humped and 'Exocet' entered the English language, even in football 'he went down as if he'd been hit by an Exocet'; Tried to intervene many years later in 'Pinochet the Disappearer's arrest in Britain for crimes against his own people in Chile, cos he'd been a good friend to Britain during Falklands. Lucky Pol Pot didn't support her at that time, or she'd have been pleading his case too - be my pal and genocide is OK. At a time when Britain was rolling in new North Sea Oil Revenues, rather than use some of that money to modernise Britian's industry base, oversaw its demise; all in favour of the new sunrise industries - and where are these sunrise industries now, well where the sun rises of course, in the far east and India. Turns my stomach.
jack walker Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 hi paulo no we didnt get abuse. Only from the flying pickets their were only 30 men on strike in leicestershire thre rest worked cheers jack
JOHNNY WISHBONE Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Love her or loathe her Maggie Thatcher, what a legend she was, the Prime Minister with balls, fearless unlike the ones we have had since her. She gave opportunity to those who wanted to take it. People started to own their own houses, things their parents and grandparents never had the opportunity to do.
BLACK W F Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 the strike was very hard my mate he worked all his days down the pit his loft and gardens where very close Paulo to where john mckeons lofts where my mate had 100 chickens 150 rabbits 2 goats and his racing pigeons by the time the last 3 month of the strike all he had left where his racers his words to me the family will come first if they have to go they will lucky it never came to that in the row of houses where he lived the end house the guy scabbed some one painted the gail end F---ING SCAP after the strike he went to the pit manager to complain and get it taken off the manager replied why thats what you are no need to be ashamed of it it stayed painted for another 9 month MAGGIE has a lot to answer for she put a lot of guys out of work and killed a lot of communitys i hope she rots in hell
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 hi paulo no we didnt get abuse. Only from the flying pickets their were only 30 men on strike in leicestershire thre rest worked cheers jack Did it vary greatly then region to region? It seems pretty much everyone up here was on strike I know how NUM balloted it was and is still deemed controversial by a lot of people?
Guest chrisss Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 hi boys i dont mind being called a scab by a miner who went on strike.Who had it very hard he had to support is family and it must have been very difficult my shoulders are broad enough.to take the abuse off them but to be called a scab by some one who didnt go through the strike . i aint got words to describe you ex miner jack walker to me it matters not if the guy calling you a scab worked down the pits or not, a scab [in any job ]is a scab,i was in the forces during thatchers reign of terror so i missed all of the fun but i still hate the *expletive removed* for what she done to this country [oh yes we can all buy our houses, most of which we all brought years ago paying 20 plus years of rent ]look at the cost ,we make nothing of use to anyone,
Roland Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Paulo, the Labour party are bad - Blair was bad... but nowt to Thatcher and her cronies... You know after the great Wall Street crash, in 1926 worldwide followed on – like now – for hard times. In 1929 THE President of the United States formed a committee of watchdogs! Joe Kennedy, whose aim was to regulate banks and to protect investor’s money, headed the main ones. After Winston’s Churchill and the Spencer’s family questionable money making investment in 1933 of Crupts in Germany in the making of ‘Warfare’ such as Tanks, guns etc. etc. – Speaks for it’s self… The Great Socialism government followed suit after the war. Watchdog put into place to oversee such practises, and also for protection of investors monies. To simply make sure that greed didn’t run away and set up needless hardships for the Tax payers, and bankruptcies… never needed in business really. So any dodgy deals were outlawed. Yes. obviously many were still done, under counter payments, inside trading etc. Never change that and will always remain so. Overseas investment were scrutinised… and Great Britain has always been in the top four – still is overseas investors in the world. BUT were refrained from stupidity via these watchdogs. Thatcher cleared the way – no need outside of greed – and removed any restraints, indeed encouraged ‘Free Enterprise and trading. Simply saying ‘Their money … must be right, … Well all of a sudden practices of - Like Hilary Clinton did – of giving folks that couldn’t afford it money … an investment that 2 years down the line went, bought back for a song, sold to mates at knock down of property say for instance at a far greater worth. Also just prior to here, as the USA with Clinton followed suit, one could give in the keys and lose their house… But the evil scheme was ‘You were still accountable for the interest on the loan… so 3 years down the line, house gone, many got these whopping bills… no house but bills that she’d made legally binding … only way out is bankruptcies. Then her court case still pending for ‘Arms Dealing’ she never go to court for it. Make the Council tenants Tory… sell them their’ houses at a knock down price… Money goes into government coffers, and councils not allowed investing it into building more houses. Put the interest rates, once was 18%. Throw them out of work… reclaim the houses at dirt priced ‘FIXED Auctions’ and her cliché of friends form ‘Housing’ whatever. The disastrous deeds are numerous! Sell the Big Gun to Iraq… Let A driver go prison for it ..John Chapman’ let out and then let ‘Spencer Churchill’ bosses take the rap and go prison… out on bail, case squashed… Maggie was charged! Full stop. Mark still at it, causing trouble in countries to enable the selling of arms… have to be a war, or can’t sell the Arms… ask Winston!
cemetary Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 They were even arguing on loose women about her, her lugs will be ringing, an i hope they are very sore, old coo. >
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 the strike was very hard my mate he worked all his days down the pit his loft and gardens where very close Paulo to where john mckeons lofts where my mate had 100 chickens 150 rabbits 2 goats and his racing pigeons by the time the last 3 month of the strike all he had left where his racers his words to me the family will come first if they have to go they will lucky it never came to that in the row of houses where he lived the end house the guy scabbed some one painted the gail end F---ING SCAP after the strike he went to the pit manager to complain and get it taken off the manager replied why thats what you are no need to be ashamed of it it stayed painted for another 9 month MAGGIE has a lot to answer for she put a lot of guys out of work and killed a lot of communitys i hope she rots in hell A bloke I buy my pigeons off is an ex miner and he said he struggled with his birds due to money that that. My granda worked down the pit after the war for a bit now he had a rough deal in my eyes. Called up to fight for his country went all the way though the war came back half deaf after being on AA guns and field guns for most of the war. All he got was a demob suit then straight back to work. Down the pit before all the machinery came in big time working the face. Finally he scraped up enough to start his own taxi business and got out of the pit. No social security in them days poor bloke
PATTY BHOY Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 heres the link. http://www.num.org.uk/?p=history&c=num&h=13
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Paulo, the Labour party are bad - Blair was bad... but nowt to Thatcher and her cronies... You know after the great Wall Street crash, in 1926 worldwide followed on – like now – for hard times. In 1929 THE President of the United States formed a committee of watchdogs! Joe Kennedy, whose aim was to regulate banks and to protect investor’s money, headed the main ones. After Winston’s Churchill and the Spencer’s family questionable money making investment in 1933 of Crupts in Germany in the making of ‘Warfare’ such as Tanks, guns etc. etc. – Speaks for it’s self… The Great Socialism government followed suit after the war. Watchdog put into place to oversee such practises, and also for protection of investors monies. To simply make sure that greed didn’t run away and set up needless hardships for the Tax payers, and bankruptcies… never needed in business really. So any dodgy deals were outlawed. Yes. obviously many were still done, under counter payments, inside trading etc. Never change that and will always remain so. Overseas investment were scrutinised… and Great Britain has always been in the top four – still is overseas investors in the world. BUT were refrained from stupidity via these watchdogs. Thatcher cleared the way – no need outside of greed – and removed any restraints, indeed encouraged ‘Free Enterprise and trading. Simply saying ‘Their money … must be right, … Well all of a sudden practices of - Like Hilary Clinton did – of giving folks that couldn’t afford it money … an investment that 2 years down the line went, bought back for a song, sold to mates at knock down of property say for instance at a far greater worth. Also just prior to here, as the USA with Clinton followed suit, one could give in the keys and lose their house… But the evil scheme was ‘You were still accountable for the interest on the loan… so 3 years down the line, house gone, many got these whopping bills… no house but bills that she’d made legally binding … only way out is bankruptcies. Then her court case still pending for ‘Arms Dealing’ she never go to court for it. Make the Council tenants Tory… sell them their’ houses at a knock down price… Money goes into government coffers, and councils not allowed investing it into building more houses. Put the interest rates, once was 18%. Throw them out of work… reclaim the houses at dirt priced ‘FIXED Auctions’ and her cliché of friends form ‘Housing’ whatever. The disastrous deeds are numerous! Sell the Big Gun to Iraq… Let A driver go prison for it ..John Chapman’ let out and then let ‘Spencer Churchill’ bosses take the rap and go prison… out on bail, case squashed… Maggie was charged! Full stop. Mark still at it, causing trouble in countries to enable the selling of arms… have to be a war, or can’t sell the Arms… ask Winston! The yanks played both sides off against each other as well didn't they? I even hear Roosevelt had shares in Krupp before Pearl Habour. Dodgy doings all round what pisses me off is we only just finished paying the yanks back for all the money and weapons off them from World War 2 we should charge them for the men and material we are using in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Duke of Windsor was practually hitlers best buddie anyway he should have been done for treason after the war and hanged. I didn't know Winston had shares in Krupp no wonder he could afford them big cigars and the bottle of brandy a day he supped lol
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 The most infamous old school labour government dodgy deal in the North East has to be T Dan Smith and John Poulson. The daft thing is T Dan Smith was a concious objector and bottled the war while the rest of the working class were off giving hitler a good spanking with our good comrade Khukov and he was and is still unsurpassed in his level of local government corruption in the north east and is the reason I have to get three quotes for putting a 500 quid door in at a job yet hes seem as a local hero in the toon.
jack walker Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Hi Paulo we didnt get a vote we were told we were on strike from a certain date when you have a mortgage ababy on the way what do you do. Your pit is on the list to close go on strike.IF and it is a big IF we had had a vote it might have been different.i dont know the two strikes before when they balloted all out on strike no messing having a choice to vote on your future is a big thing. This is what i felt like at the time just got married bought a house kid on the way told to go on strike that probabley meant lose the house be a flying picket and my nature back then do time i took the easy option i went to work cheers jack
BLACK W F Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 paulo by any chance would that be Jackie Traynor
jack walker Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 hi paulo if i had lived in another area i would have gone with the majority i have got to go to work now i will look in later cheers jack
Guest Paulo Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 paulo by any chance would that be Jackie Traynor Nah I've pmed u
dazza Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Congrats to Arthur Scargill achieved nothing, killed the trade unions and all the good they did for years. What he should have concentrated on was better pensions, better training and better healthcare for the miners instead of using thousands of families to wage his political ideology with the government. Scargill killed the unions not Thatcher!
BLACK W F Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 i might not agree with all what Arthur said but it came true in the end as for maggie beating them thats not correct if the TUC had of backed the miners when asked they would have brought the goverment down thats why they where beat
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