Barless Blue

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I have a barless blue in the nest at the minute from a red cock up with a chequer hen.

 

Is this possible or has the hen been tread by a rogue cock ?

[andy Burgess]

I have a barless blue in the nest at the minute from a red cock up with a chequer hen.

 

Is this possible or has the hen been tread by a rogue cock ?

think a lot depends on whats in its make up from ancestory ,i have a blue this time with a "partial" second bar ,very prominent marking . sire is a chequer piet and dam a blue bar .and am absolutely sure no other has been near her .

[PATTY BHOY]

have a yb with 3 bars.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

think a lot depends on whats in its make up from ancestory ,i have a blue this time with a "partial" second bar ,very prominent marking . sire is a chequer piet and dam a blue bar .and am absolutely sure no other has been near her .

 

Its a full brother/sister mating,I was wondering if that perhaps had anything to do with the strange colour.I'm not clued up on close breeding and its outcomes as its something I've never done intentionally.They were allowed to pick their own mates so I just left them to it.Its the first youngster hatched from them so nothing really to compare it to

 

Like you I'm fairly sure the hens not been tread by something else

[Delboy]

Think somethings had a wee go with the hen m8, lol

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

have a yb with 3 bars.

 

It wouldnae be too easy to breed one of them again ?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Think somethings had a wee go with the hen m8, lol

 

I always thought she was a right fussy hen but apparently not

[Delboy]

I always thought she was a right fussy hen but apparently not

 

Naw m8, only jesting, with a red cock and ch hen you can have in offspring, a blue, bch, mealy or red in both sexes.So no surprise bud lol

[andy Burgess]

Its a full brother/sister mating,I was wondering if that perhaps had anything to do with the strange colour.I'm not clued up on close breeding and its outcomes as its something I've never done intentionally.They were allowed to pick their own mates so I just left them to it.Its the first youngster hatched from them so nothing really to compare it to

 

Like you I'm fairly sure the hens not been tread by something else

i have had blues and checkers from this pair before , and fed toppers too ,all cocks by the way , i have a light che in the third nest(not something i normally do) and i am hoping this is a hen ,if so will stay in the stock loft .ive looked and studied (as best i can) to try and figure the relation of coloured off-spring , just hoping this one exception proves me right , but maybe a year or so before i know if i am right Lewis.?? time will tell.

[Guest ljb107]

If it was a sibling pairing then they're both clearly recessive for barless meaning one of their parents was barless or both/one were carrying it

[andy Burgess]

If it was a sibling pairing then they're both clearly recessive for barless

in my case , no , completely un-related ??

[Guest ljb107]

in my case , no , completely un-related ??

 

They can unrelated too. Just need to carry the barless pattern.

[andy Burgess]

They can unrelated too. Just need to carry the barless pattern.

thats possible , in my case the history of the dam is un-known ???

[Guest IB]

Bar is a pattern, not a colour, and all colours can breed barless, so the question of another cock treading the hen doesn't really come in to it. Barless is recessive to both chequer and bar, so if either of these genes is present, the youngster will always be either chequer or bar pattern. Barless happens only when the youngster inherits 2 genes for barless. As has already been said, there must be a barless gene in the parents breeding, and as this is a brother and sister mating, each parent appears to have inherited a barless gene from one of their parents (the youngsters grandparents) which have come together in this youngster giving you the barless blue in the nest..

[Delboy]

Bar is a pattern, not a colour, and all colours can breed barless, so the question of another cock treading the hen doesn't really come in to it. Barless is recessive to both chequer and bar, so if either of these genes is present, the youngster will always be either chequer or bar pattern. Barless happens only when the youngster inherits 2 genes for barless. As has already been said, there must be a barless gene in the parents breeding, and as this is a brother and sister mating, each parent appears to have inherited a barless gene from one of their parents (the youngsters grandparents) which have come together in this youngster giving you the barless blue in the nest..

 

Spot on

[hotrod]

you could also find that when it moults its adult plumage then you might see the bars ,although they might be very slight .seen this in a lot of jansen type pigeons .

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

The birds are actually nestmates.Bred from a dark cock and a red chequer hen

 

Will see how it turns out after its moulted

[hotrod]

The birds are actually nestmates.Bred from a dark cock and a red chequer hen

 

Will see how it turns out after its moulted

A bit tooooo close for me mate ,father x Dtr or mum x son is as close as I go .

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

A bit tooooo close for me mate ,father x Dtr or mum x son is as close as I go .

 

It was unintentional.They were allowed to pick their own mates and thats how it ended up

 

will leave them together as long as they wish as the hen has raced well

 

I've never had anything so closely bred so will be interested to see if and how it performs.Not heard of many great pigeons from this kinna mating but I'm sure one of Ronnie Williamson's winners was from a brother/sister mating.May have been Millenium Superstar or Double Top