andy Burgess Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 having read the thread about "Hormoform" still cant see a "how to" ie 1 tablespoon of this and 2 teaspoon of that etc to make it and save myself some money .is pin head oatmeal by itself beneficial to the birds ??
OLDYELLOW Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Full of omega 3 oil I believe I know there a good remover of fat in humans http://www.hgca.com/content.output/561/561/Food%20and%20Nutrition/Nutritional%20Information/Oats%20Nutrition.mspx
andy Burgess Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 full of omega 3 oil I believe is that the pin head oatmeal by itself Oldyellow ?? and if so , why or how is that good for them ??
victorious Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 having read the thread about "Hormoform" still cant see a "how to" ie 1 tablespoon of this and 2 teaspoon of that etc to make it and save myself some money .is pin head oatmeal by itself beneficial to the birds ??you probably could make a mix cheaper and sumthing similar if only we new what was in it ,i think sum one told me clipped wheat and fish oil was in it ill have to research this a bit c what i can find.
OLDYELLOW Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 is that the pin head oatmeal by itself Oldyellow ?? and if so , why or how is that good for them ??It's all the same it's how its processed that gives it's name pin head is as comes in from harvesting , because of the high oil content it goes rancid quick
OLDYELLOW Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 very fattening i heardthat's why your to use it sparingly a little goes a long way
andy Burgess Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 It's all the same it's how its processed that gives it's name pin head is as comes in from harvesting , because of the high oil content it goes rancid quickive bought some from the supermarket 500g tin for £1.78 which would work out about the same price as Hormoform ? so it must be available in bulk and the additives cant be that expensive either ?? it also lists Protien at 11.8g and Fibre 7.2 g which is virtually the same as Hormoform anyway ??
OLDYELLOW Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 David on here was getting groats at £6 fer 25kg last year :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: then you add a dash of cod liver oil dextrose and pink minerals
victorious Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 ive bought some from the supermarket 500g tin for £1.78 which would work out about the same price as Hormoform ? so it must be available in bulk and the additives cant be that expensive either ?? it also lists Protien at 11.8g and Fibre 7.2 g which is virtually the same as Hormoform anyway ?? pinhead oatmeal can be bought in bulk but very expensive about 30 quid 25 kg well it used to be that David on here was getting groats at £6 fer 25kg last year :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: then you add a dash of cod liver oil dextrose and pink minerals we could call it old yellow form sounds good
andy Burgess Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 David on here was getting groats at £6 fer 25kg last year :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: then you add a dash of cod liver oil dextrose and pink mineralsif thats all there is too it ,it looks like its the "dextrose" that makes them like it ,as oil on feed or pink minerals alone dont seem to have that hold over them ?
victorious Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 if thats all there is too it ,it looks like its the "dextrose" that makes them like it ,as oil on feed or pink minerals alone dont seem to have that hold over them ? correct but what is dextrose and what is that red colour that is in it cause its like dye and hard to get of your hands
OLDYELLOW Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 correct but what is dextrose and what is that red colour that is in it cause its like dye and hard to get of your handsthe red colour is pink minerals
THE FIFER Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 will the contents of Aviform not be on the package, I use it all year round,and it does have a smell of fish oil ,
andy Burgess Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 correct but what is dextrose and what is that red colour that is in it cause its like dye and hard to get of your hands the red colour is pink minerals dextrose is a sweetner ,like a "false sugar" if you like ?
just ask me Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Hormoform "Whatever the Season, Whatever the System, Hormoform will put the Icing on the Cake"What is Hormoform?Hormoform is a feed supplement which is designed to supplement any mineral or vitamin deficiency in the basic diet of a racing pigeon.What does it contain?Hormoform is a compound of high energy fats and oils, animal and vegetable protein, yeast, cod-liver oil, malt extract, amino acids, vitamins and minerals, plus trace elements, all mixed into a cut wheat base.When do I need to feed Hormoform?Hormoform quite easily fits in any feeding system and it is an excellent product to use when breeding and racing. Fanciers cannot believe the difference in their young birds when feeding Hormoform.How is Hormoform introduced?Hormoform is best fed on its own and not mixed with the main diet, although it does mix well with smaller seeds. If you haven't used Hormoform before, introduce in gallipots before pairing. The pigeons may be a little shy at first but they will soon get used to it and by the time they are feeding young they will relish it. As the youngsters grow the Hormoform intake should increase to around 20% of the diet.Is it necessary to carry on feeding Hormoform when the youngsters are weaned?Hormoform will play an important part of the young birds' diet and will be a great aid when the young birds are growing and developing. Around 12% of the diet should include Hormoform all the way through the young birds' programme.How do I feed Hormoform to the old bird racers?There are different ways to feed Hormoform during the old bird racing season. If you feed in troughs on the floor then a gallipot of Hormoform on the floor on an ad lib basis is excellent. The pigeons will take it when they require and would normally eat up to 15% of their total diet. Widowhood pigeons fed separately in their boxes can receive around 1 teaspoon per day either before or after their main meal, although many successful long distance fanciers increase this amount for the longer races.Is Hormoform important for the moult?Hormoform included in the diet during the moult is a big advantage. Hormoform contains methionine which plays an important role when new feathers are being grown. Feathers are made up of a protein called Keratin which contains large amounts of sulphur, which is absorbed from the methionine in the diet.The typical analysis of Hormoform is as follows:- 12% protein- 8.8% oil- 5.1% fibre
victorious Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 chriss sutton lists the ingredients of homoform on pipa pigeon paradise site
OLDYELLOW Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 dextrose is a sweetner ,like a "false sugar" if you like ?dextrose is more like the sweepings up after the granulated gone through more of a powder than granule will the contents of Aviform not be on the package, I use it all year round,and it does have a smell of fish oil ,I don't believe they give you contents on the Aviform it's there secret recipe chriss sutton lists the ingredients of homoform on pipa pigeon paradise siteit was on her but can't find the post Lindsay will know it
billt Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Funny old thing this feeding game, we spend a lot of money on additives and supplements yet the wildlings migrate thousands of miles every year on what they pick up on the fields or in the air, and do I join in, of course I do
just ask me Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/53734-hormoform/page__pid__717321__st__80entry717321 some info here
just ask me Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Funny old thing this feeding game, we spend a lot of money on additives and supplements yet the wildlings migrate thousands of miles every year on what they pick up on the fields or in the air, and do I join in, of course I do great point i often wondered about the amount of training us pigeon fanciers do how do they train for that type of flying
andy Burgess Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 Funny old thing this feeding game, we spend a lot of money on additives and supplements yet the wildlings migrate thousands of miles every year on what they pick up on the fields or in the air, and do I join in, of course I do http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gifyes they do , but we (well me) have removed them far from a natural world and are trying to replace some of that which the wild find freely . http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/53734-hormoform/page__pid__717321__st__80entry717321 some info herenot showing JAM , is it an old one maybe ?? great point i often wondered about the amount of training us pigeon fanciers do how do they train for that type of flying natural open hole system that wan
billt Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 great point i often wondered about the amount of training us pigeon fanciers do how do they train for that type of flying A few pairs of House Martins nest on the front of our house and a few years ago I walked out one morning to see a young one flopping across the floor, when I went around the front a nest had fallen, one was dead another two looked poor plus the one that was lively, I put them in a box on the rack over the rayburn and within an hour they were fine then I was thinking there's no way I'm catching flies for you lot so I made a nest out of a wicker wine boat and screwed it on the soffit board as close as I could to where the nest was and they were feeding the young before I was down the ladder, a couple of weeks later there were 40/50 martins flying about the front and I realised the youngsters couldn't get out, I'd made the hole too small, ladder out and stretched the hole, the youngsters were out straight away, time I got down the ladder they were all on there way, North Africa here we come, amazing
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