Respiratory- Gurgling Sound

[johnnyksspeedshop]

Hey all, I wasnt allowed to post my question in the respiratory sticky, but im looking for some advice and possibly for a product I can attain in the US. A couple of my young squeekers seem to have a respiratory problem, as you can hear a gurgling sound when they breathe. They appear very healthy in shape and form. The young who make the gurgling sounds are nestmates, and I have another set of nestmates from different parents that are the exact same age that do not show any symptoms. Any ideas?

[greenlands]

I think the cause of the problem should be found first,usually poor ventilation,if you have ample ventilation then the amount of pigeons you have in the breeding section.

As for products to clear respitory problems these are Prescrption Only Medicines in the UK.Not knowing what's available in the US. you might ask the same question on a US site.I think my choice would be Doxy T.as I said though POM.

Treating young birds in the nest for resp.Not too sure on that,my choice would be the bin.

JMO

 

Lindsay

[OLDYELLOW]

You should seek advice from a qualified avian vet , last time I had respiratory I was given tylan to treat , however if your loft ventilation is not right treating alone won't help your problem until you alter your loft . If these birds are squeakers on the nest it just may be the parents are over filling with water

[greenlands]

Never thought about the water side of it O.Y.If that's the case I would suspect canker again POM. as O.Y.says a vet is the next call.

 

Lindsay

[Guest Quarry Lofts]

First thing is find the cause it can be anything from too much ventilation to not enough

consult a local vet over there America is a big poultry place so should have a few local to you

they can prescribe you resprtory products which are legal to use in the US

make sure you sort the loft out first then the medication

[Guest Owen]

I can save you a lot of time and trouble. As greenlands has said very politely, you have a serious respiratory problem without doubt. Pigeons MUST have proper ventilation. Nothing else will do so you must get your act together and make the alterations to your loft and/or cut the stock levels down to levels that will work. You may need to keep the place acceptably clean because the fumes from droppings can cause the sort of problems you have.

[Guest IB]

Are these youngsters still in the nest and being fed by their parents? If so, and as no other birds are affected, it may be down to poor feeding technique by the parents, possibly yearlings?

 

I have not had this for a while, but 'watched' the affected youngsters and as soon as they started feeding for themselves, the condition corrected itself.

[tom corrie]

It is the one problem that i do not try to cure there would be no more breeding off the parents as it will only return to haunt you just my opinion

[johnnyksspeedshop]

Thanks for all the info guys and gals! I made some ventilation adjustments today by drilling a large number of holes in the back of the loft closer to the floor, it should help out a bit, but the other two squeekers which dont have any symptoms were in nest boxes closer to the floor then the young with problems, so im not sure it will make too much of a difference . . .definitely worth a try though. The young are still being fed by their parents and just starting to venture out of the nest box. They are starting to pick at seeds by themselves, and when they do this, I notice they gurgle more, as if water is coming up through their crop, so Oldyellow, you may be on to something! Also, I see nothing in the throat, but I know you dont always have to see it, for canker to be present!

Thanks,

Johnny K

[Guest Owen]

I was new to racing pigeons in 1997 and I got tired of the view from the bottom of the results sheet so I decided to take action to see what I could do about it. One of the things I decided to try to understand was the type of loft that the top flyers had. I looked at lofts in Britain the US and on the Continent. I also read about the subject in relation to Chicken, Pigeons and Farm Animals. I got hold of information from the Ministry of Agriculture relating to Chicken in particular. Along the way I managed to get information on humidity and temperature in regard to stocking rates.

It was then I made a connection between using canaries down the mines and the affects that the gas has on them compared to the higher resistance to the gas by humans.

It became obvious that the type of repiration in birds and that of mammals is very different. Mammals are no where near as sensitive to lack of oxygen when compared with birds. In short pigeons need unrestricted access to oxygen if they are to achieve the sort of super health that results in them winning races. I think it is obvious that birds can not clear their lungs of negative gases as easily as mammals so they suffer the detrimental effects of foul air to a much greater extent. The conclusion of all this has to be that efficient ventilation is not an option it is vital for the health of the birds. So rather than drill a few holes in your loft it would be much better to do the job properly and make serious alterations to bring fresh air to the birds followed by the robust health to which they are entitled.

[geordie1234]

Great post

 

I was thinking of getting one of those fans to constantly pump clean air in

[johnnyksspeedshop]

I was new to racing pigeons in 1997 and I got tired of the view from the bottom of the results sheet so I decided to take action to see what I could do about it. One of the things I decided to try to understand was the type of loft that the top flyers had. I looked at lofts in Britain the US and on the Continent. I also read about the subject in relation to Chicken, Pigeons and Farm Animals. I got hold of information from the Ministry of Agriculture relating to Chicken in particular. Along the way I managed to get information on humidity and temperature in regard to stocking rates.

It was then I made a connection between using canaries down the mines and the affects that the gas has on them compared to the higher resistance to the gas by humans.

It became obvious that the type of repiration in birds and that of mammals is very different. Mammals are no where near as sensitive to lack of oxygen when compared with birds. In short pigeons need unrestricted access to oxygen if they are to achieve the sort of super health that results in them winning races. I think it is obvious that birds can not clear their lungs of negative gases as easily as mammals so they suffer the detrimental effects of foul air to a much greater extent. The conclusion of all this has to be that efficient ventilation is not an option it is vital for the health of the birds. So rather than drill a few holes in your loft it would be much better to do the job properly and make serious alterations to bring fresh air to the birds followed by the robust health to which they are entitled.

 

Thanks for the info Owen, I agree that ventilation is very important to the pigeons health. But simply put, holes let air through. I have been in the hobby since I was a child, and have always raised endurance birds (tipplers) and am now interested in racing, and I have studied loft designs as well (like most fanciers). In one of my books, William Pensom described drilling holes in the proper places for good ventilation. Now just because drilling holes does not cost an arm and a leg, does not mean its not functional. Here is an interesting situation to check out, I can say with confidence that my loft is better ventilated than these top flyers:

Workhouse Lofts

[geordie1234]

good vids

[johnnyksspeedshop]

good vids

I've watched every one of their vids Geo, definitely some good information there, and a number of different systems and methods used!

[johnnyksspeedshop]

Good news, the gurgling sound seemed to go away on its own. This parents werent the best parents on the last set of young, and stopped feeding them, so I guess I'm just not going to breed this pair anymore.

[just ask me]

Good news, the gurgling sound seemed to go away on its own. This parents werent the best parents on the last set of young, and stopped feeding them, so I guess I'm just not going to breed this pair anymore.

 

 

hope its sorted for ya

[johnnyksspeedshop]

Thanks, I hope so also!