Snfc Management

[frank-123]

why were the birds at Messac liberated at 05.30 on the 24th of June when there was thick fog around the channel islands

also the NIPA national at st malo further north held over

i heard from rene who lives on guernsey who told me a liberation should not have taken place due to thick fog

 

i look forward to seeing the reports from this race

[Guest stb-]

Yea Rene said it didnt clear till after lunch time , hence that would give reason for the fougeres birds getting libbed at 12,30

[frank-123]

 

 

 

 

 

 

the distance between Guernsey and Cherbourg is about 20 miles if there was fog around Guernsey a good guess it had more fog pockets further into the channel

 

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[Guest rene]

Hi all i live on Guernsey and im the liberator for Guernsey the forcast was thick fog through out the Channel untill about 13:00 hrs but there were fog banks though out the whole day the Irish birds were held over till the Sunday due too the fog on the friday and the saturday in St.Malo i personaly would not of liberated any birds up with weather the way it was at the end of the day its the birds well being that counts

[Delboy]

expletive remove, if this is the case then our race controllers have alot of explaining to do.This is the worst race in SNFC history in my opinion because there are no pigeons working in after the close of race, therefore they are not ANYWHERE NEAR SCOTLAND.

[frank-123]

expletive remove, if this is the case then our race controllers have alot of explaining to do.This is the worst race in SNFC history in my opinion because there are no pigeons working in after the close of race, therefore they are not ANYWHERE NEAR SCOTLAND.

 

Derek hope am so wrong but i believe they wont turn up

[just ask me]

just a thought is there a call for a weekend race rather than a Saturday or Sunday race in other wards what ever day is better letting members know on the lib line so we have a weekend race maybe only knowing Thursday or so witch day

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Derek hope am so wrong but i believe they wont turn up

10 members in Larkhall sent 40 pigeons and not a feather has been seen. Experienced distance men who are finding the result of this race hard to take.

[yeboah]

just a thought is there a call for a weekend race rather than a Saturday or Sunday race in other wards what ever day is better letting members know on the lib line so we have a weekend race maybe only knowing Thursday or so witch day

WE ARE LIGHT YEARS BEHIND THE UNC AND NIPA REGARDING THE CHANGE OF DATES REGARDING THE BEST WEATHER AND THE WELFARE OF THE PIGEONS SEEMS WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR DATES BECAUSE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN PREBOOKED FOR WHAT IS IN TOTAL ONLY A HANDFULL OF PIGEONS ,YET BOTH THE AFOREMENTIONED ORGANISATIONS DO NOT FIND IT A PROBLEM AND THEY ARE HANDLING IN EXCESS OF 20,000 BIRDS ,I AM A GREAT SUPPORTER OF THE SNFC BUT FEEL WE AS MEMBERS MUST ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND STOP REFERING BACK TO THE DAYS OF OUR FORFATHERS .WITH ALL THE SATELLITE IMAGES AVAILABLE AND A SMALL FEE EACH YEAR PAYED TO THE MET OFFICE WE WOULD HAVE UP TO THE MINUTE FORCASTING .

[Guest rene]

WE ARE LIGHT YEARS BEHIND THE UNC AND NIPA REGARDING THE CHANGE OF DATES REGARDING THE BEST WEATHER AND THE WELFARE OF THE PIGEONS SEEMS WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR DATES BECAUSE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN PREBOOKED FOR WHAT IS IN TOTAL ONLY A HANDFULL OF PIGEONS ,YET BOTH THE AFOREMENTIONED ORGANISATIONS DO NOT FIND IT A PROBLEM AND THEY ARE HANDLING IN EXCESS OF 20,000 BIRDS ,I AM A GREAT SUPPORTER OF THE SNFC BUT FEEL WE AS MEMBERS MUST ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND STOP REFERING BACK TO THE DAYS OF OUR FORFATHERS .WITH ALL THE SATELLITE IMAGES AVAILABLE AND A SMALL FEE EACH YEAR PAYED TO THE MET OFFICE WE WOULD HAVE UP TO THE MINUTE FORCASTING .

 

 

 

Can i add that alot of ORGANISATIONS phone us up over here in Guernsey to see what the weather is in the channel when i say us i mean ( myself and the old liberator ) some of the organsations that phone are the Solent SR/LSECC/Dorset fed and the Irish organsations this is just to name a few

[Henrik]

expletive remove, if this is the case then our race controllers have alot of explaining to do.This is the worst race in SNFC history in my opinion because there are no pigeons working in after the close of race, therefore they are not ANYWHERE NEAR SCOTLAND.

Derek we all know something happened to the birds at this race and we also know we will never know what happened but I for one believe that Jim Hannah would not have let the birds go if there was Fog on the channel at the time. Jim had his own birds on the transporter as well and we all know how cautious Jim is when it comes to liberations even from Kelso. Lets see how many of these would be race controllers put their hands up when it comes to the AGM or even bother to attend.Its hard enough to get them to even give a hand at the basketing preferring to stand and blether n moan about the time its taking. As for this information from "Rene" this would have been helpful before the event, and I believe the Irish held over because of the weather moving in from the west which would have been bang over Ireland at the time the birds were due home.

[frank-123]

Derek we all know something happened to the birds at this race and we also know we will never know what happened but I for one believe that Jim Hannah would not have let the birds go if there was Fog on the channel at the time. Jim had his own birds on the transporter as well and we all know how cautious Jim is when it comes to liberations even from Kelso. Lets see how many of these would be race controllers put their hands up when it comes to the AGM or even bother to attend.Its hard enough to get them to even give a hand at the basketing preferring to stand and blether n moan about the time its taking. As for this information from "Rene" this would have been helpful before the event, and I believe the Irish held over because of the weather moving in from the west which would have been bang over Ireland at the time the birds were due home.

 

i also believe jim hannah would not have let the birds go with fog in front of them

he can only go with the information he has received.To me something has gone wrong very wrong with the information given to the race control team

 

no matter who we vote into place or remove from race controlling if you tie one hand behind there back they wont be able to do the job

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/training/calendar#ft

line of contacts paid for by the snfc to give the correct information and race controllers paid and trained for a very tough job they do and having the most up to date weather forecasting information no expense spared to do the job properly

sweeping it under the carpet and hoping it goes away will not help in the future

if it costs me another £20 on my dues to help with the cost then that's fine as it cost a lot more for me to train,feed and prepare my birds for the gold cup race sadly that never got a chance to prove my methods wrong or right

[OLDYELLOW]

I believe most took the chance at the channel knowing there was mist and fog on the channel , because most thought better to put them up because of the heatwave the day after , which is when most of my birds turned all by 2 one the 3rd day missing 1 card winner , albeit Guernsey is at the west side i wonder what was it like at the Eastbourne end , i expect my birds 2 year olds and over to be on the day but if couldn't cross till after 12 on the Saturday then they would of been 2 day birds , yes some fantastic birds made it on the day but only a small percentage . But i do believe organisations or even the unions could pay for up to date live conditions and shipping forecasts on all channel racing , at worse should be able to get contacts on the coast to get to know what the visibility is like I read most that liberated 12 and 12.30 had a good race after the fog / mist had lifted

[Guest stb-]

Derek we all know something happened to the birds at this race and we also know we will never know what happened but I for one believe that Jim Hannah would not have let the birds go if there was Fog on the channel at the time. Jim had his own birds on the transporter as well and we all know how cautious Jim is when it comes to liberations even from Kelso. Lets see how many of these would be race controllers put their hands up when it comes to the AGM or even bother to attend.Its hard enough to get them to even give a hand at the basketing preferring to stand and blether n moan about the time its taking. As for this information from "Rene" this would have been helpful before the event, and I believe the Irish held over because of the weather moving in from the west which would have been bang over Ireland at the time the birds were due home.

I also dont beleive Jim Hannah would have knowingly put the birds onto the channel in fog . Yes the info from Rene would have been good , Did any one contact him to ask ??? maby a point should be made of contacting him in the future as he is right on line of flight for the westerly race points and with guernsey being in the english channell it would be a good place to start .

 

regarding the {we will never know what happened } is Rene NOT JUST POSTED WHAT HAS HAPPEND

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I also dont beleive Jim Hannah would have knowingly put the birds onto the channel in fog . Yes the info from Rene would have been good , Did any one contact him to ask ??? maby a point should be made of contacting him in the future as he is right on line of flight for the westerly race points and with guernsey being in the english channell it would be a good place to start .

 

regarding the {we will never know what happened } is Rene NOT JUST POSTED WHAT HAS HAPPEND

 

A fantastic contact in that same area was Mr P Osbourne from the island of Alderney which is just north of the channel islands, very helpful at any time of the night or day. Dont know if was used in Messac but couldn't recommend him high enough.

[tyson]

as I said previuosly I am one of the race controllers for the s.n.f.c and I use all the live webcams available thes were all checked both sides of the channel all showed channel clear also checked the weather from the light ships mid channel they gave visability over 7mls jim phoned a contact in alderney he said channel was clear also the irish at st malo probably held because of the bad weather moving into ireland which was into the south of ireland at 6.00am the system I use I subscribe to and I think It is a very up to date system it gives me everything I need to know as far as I am concerned the race control team did there best with the information recievd what happened after the pigeons were liberated god only knows I am sorry for the birds that are lost but with the infomation recieved everything was clear for a liberation peter calder race control team

[frank-123]

as I said previuosly I am one of the race controllers for the s.n.f.c and I use all the live webcams available thes were all checked both sides of the channel all showed channel clear also checked the weather from the light ships mid channel they gave visability over 7mls jim phoned a contact in alderney he said channel was clear also the irish at st malo probably held because of the bad weather moving into ireland which was into the south of ireland at 6.00am the system I use I subscribe to and I think It is a very up to date system it gives me everything I need to know as far as I am concerned the race control team did there best with the information recievd what happened after the pigeons were liberated god only knows I am sorry for the birds that are lost but with the infomation recieved everything was clear for a liberation peter calder race control team

 

Thank you Peter for your honest reply

[Guest stb-]

the unfortunate thing about races like these are after a few weeks its all fogoten about

 

nothing is ever found out as too the cause , and yes it will happen again somewhere as we never learn from any of the dissasters anyway

[Delboy]

Derek we all know something happened to the birds at this race and we also know we will never know what happened but I for one believe that Jim Hannah would not have let the birds go if there was Fog on the channel at the time. Jim had his own birds on the transporter as well and we all know how cautious Jim is when it comes to liberations even from Kelso. Lets see how many of these would be race controllers put their hands up when it comes to the AGM or even bother to attend.Its hard enough to get them to even give a hand at the basketing preferring to stand and blether n moan about the time its taking. As for this information from "Rene" this would have been helpful before the event, and I believe the Irish held over because of the weather moving in from the west which would have been bang over Ireland at the time the birds were due home.

 

 

Bobby, you know me, ive been on the SNFC committee 3 times and worked my balls off.I would never point the finger at anyone who is working for the committee, what I am saying is, if the race controllers arent getting enough info, then we must address that in the future.Too many champion distance racers lost in seemingly perfect flying days, or were they???? The committee have to make a decision on all aspects of national racing because, ill tell ye, folk are pi ssed off with all the time, effort, expense and heartache these disasters are causing.Im not saying the decision the race controllers make are incompetent because they are doing alot of work and have birds in the convoy also.I think we need as much info on weather suitable for pigeon racing as possible and if that takes a few grand out the bank to get that info, then so be it.No stone should be left unturned to cater for the best pigeons in Scotland, this includes transportation as well.

[Henrik]

Derek what is really pissin me of is the people who come on here after the event with all these theories and contacts who could have given info on the race route. Why do these people only post this information after the event?

[Delboy]

Derek what is really pissin me of is the people who come on here after the event with all these theories and contacts who could have given info on the race route. Why do these people only post this information after the event?

 

 

I know what ye mean Bobby but all the info should be collated by the controllers.The people on here cant contact the controllers during a race so maybe there should be an information line set up , one that people in the know can leave any information on the weather in there part of the country, this would help the controllers for races in the future. I do understand what you mean about folk having a go at the committee when in fact they arent ever at an AGM or even at the *expletive removed* races for that matter, it pi sses me off too, but I dont think there should be a divide between the committee and the members ( them and us )kind of thing.Everyone is entitled to an opinion if it is a valid point to help the SNFC in the future.As members, committee or not, we are all equal and should strive to get the best for the best birds in the land.

[Guest rene]

i have just spoken to Mr.Osbourn in Alderney and he has told me that the weather on friday was suitable race weather as regards to the liberation but as he ponited out to me and i think he is right is that he had a 20 mile visabliaty in to the English channel but no further the Cherbourg penincular down the French coast towards Guernsey was clear and perfect racing conditons but in the Channel from falmouth through to Portland area there was fog. He did make a very good point of saying that he can not see more then the traffic lanes for the boats any thing further then this some one on the south coast of England would of had to of been contacted and up on the line of flight we can only giver what the weather forcast we have at the time Mr.Obourn and myself get up at stupid times of the mornings to get the forcasts not by the TV we actualy drive around our islands and contact our weather men direct to give a accurate forcast as possable for liberations as possable free i have known Mr.Osbourn for as long as i can remember and well over 30 years in fact and if this is what he had said i would not dout him like i said we can only give what we can see and the information given to us by our own weather men.

[Guest rene]

why were the birds at Messac liberated at 05.30 on the 24th of June when there was thick fog around the channel islands

also the NIPA national at st malo further north held over

i heard from rene who lives on guernsey who told me a liberation should not have taken place due to thick fog

 

i look forward to seeing the reports from this race

 

 

i will make a point here by sayin that i ment thik fog in the channel closer to England sorry if i didnt explain it properly but still stand by what i said that i personaly would not of let the birds go in the forcast i had at the time.

[tyson]

falmouth and portland is away west of where our birds should have been crossing channel with west in the wind on the channel birds should have been hitting land around southampton or slightly east from there nowhere near falmouth or porland

[Delboy]

falmouth and portland is away west of where our birds should have been crossing channel with west in the wind on the channel birds should have been hitting land around southampton or slightly east from there nowhere near falmouth or porland

 

 

I agree, but if the birds held a perfect line and crossed at shortest point on cherbourg peninsula, they would have flown straight into Portland.After all, the winds on channel were very light and they were up in no wind. Its all ifs and buts.