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[gulkie]

can anyone tell me the ratio of amoxicillin to water

[blackdog]

3grams per gallon for 5-10 days.

[lanarkshire lad]

can anyone tell me the ratio of amoxicillin to water

Pm swilcox he treated with it recently he should know.

[just ask me]

10 days i think

[Roland]

This may help a bit:

 

Antibiotics

 

Antibiotics are poisons that work by building up to a certain concentration in the blood and once they reach the correct concentration, they become toxic to the bacteria (and other things) that they are intended to treat. They do not address the problem until they reach the required toxic level of concentration in the blood stream and this takes time. That is why the doctor always insists that patients take the full prescription at the time prescribed. The correct concentration of the drug in the blood has to be reached and then maintained to eliminate the disease causing bacteria.

 

Antibiotics such as tylan, doxicycline and most of the other antibiotics used by pigeon fanciers are designed to reach the target level of concentration in the blood only after several doses and after two or three days of scheduled use. Giving them one day, say Sunday, after returning from a race is useless. The treatment adds nothing of value because one dose is inadequate to reach blood concentrations anywhere near what would be lethal to any disease-causing organism. The only benefit of abusing antibiotics in this way is purely psychological on the part of the fancier. It makes the fancier feel good, not the bird. What it does is build the resistance of the disease causing organisms by chronic under dosing and encourages the government food and drug watchdogs to push for bans on the sale of these antibiotics without medical supervision.

 

Abusing antibiotics is more serious than most of the other silly things that we pigeon fanciers constantly do to make us feel like we are increasing our chances of winning. This is because this type of abuse can actually pose a threat to human health. The good effective drugs get banned or become less effective as a result and we only have ourselves to blame.

 

As a thumb rule, regular strength tetracycline antibiotics like Terramycin are used for pigeons at 4 level teaspoons per 4 litres of water for 7-14 days, and Terramycin concentrate powder is used at 2 teaspoons per 4 litres for the same treatment period - so it's important to read the label to know the strength of product you've bought. As Hal says, the use of a small amount of citric acid (from lemons) - or apple cider vinegar - added to these solutions aids immensely in the absorption of this class of antibiotic across the intestinal wall and into blood vessels for distribution throughout the body. In chickens, erythromycin (commercial name: Gallimycin) is very useful in dealing with Mycoplasma species that are part of a respiratory problem. It is much less useful in pigeons since their crop bacteria destroy it readily (they destroy chloramphenicol too) so it is hard to get a good treatment level of either of these drugs into the bloodstream. Injection of chloramphenicol by needle and syringe gets around this problem. Gord.

 

Oxfendazole is a member of the benz-i-mi-da-zole family which is a large chemical family used to treat worm and fluke infections. However, there is widespread development of resistance and their use is decreasing. They have broad activity against roundworms and a wide safety margin. There are several: mebendazole, flubendazole, fenbendazole, oxfendazole, oxibendazole, albendazole, etc.. The most effective of the group are those with the longest life in the body - such as oxfendazole, fenbendazole, albendazole, because they are not rapidly metabolized to inactive products. Effective concentrations are maintained for an extended period in the plasma and gut. Mebendazole, flubendazole, and fenbendazole are effective against worms in the digestive and respiratory tracts of birds. Fenbendazole (commercial name: Panacur) is about 80-100% effective against roundworms but should be avoided because it can easily cause feather abnormalities in overdose.

Other wormers:

Ivermectin (Ivomec, Eqvalen): Broad spectrum wormer, a member of the avermectin family. Effective against roundworms, hairworms and stomach wall worms.

Dose: 500 -1000 mg per bird. Can be dosed in the drinking water, but the efficacy of this method is debatable. The surest way is to treat the pigeons individually. 1-2 drops by mouth of Ivomec is the correct dose. The higher dosage is needed to treat roundworms and, for some reason, even this is occasionally ineffective.

New generation avermectins such as Abamectin may be more effective. Abamectin is a relatively new product and is applied as drops to the skin; it is highly effective against hairworms and roundworms as well as external parasites such as lice and mites. It is currently available in Europe.

 

Moxidectin: A member of the Milbemycin family, Moxidectin is a highly effective product that provides prolonged protection against re-infestation, effective against hairworms, roundworms and external parasites. It seems to be a relatively safe product that is used in the water and can be given during the breeding, moulting and racing seasons.

 

Levamisole (Tramisol, Levasol, Ripercol): Good against roundworms (70-90% effective), but usually fails when used to treat threadworms or stomach wall worms.

Dose: 1 to 1.5 grams per gallon for 1-2 days. NOTE: This dosage often causes some pigeons to vomit. This drug is an immune stimulant even at lower dosages.

 

Piperazine: Effective against roundworms only, and only 60-80% effective here.

Dose: 15 mg per bird (300 mg per gallon) for 2 days. It is best to avoid using piperazine.

 

Praziquantel (Droncit): Excellent against tapeworms and flukes.

Dose: 6 mg per pigeon once (1/4 of a cat-size Droncit tablet).

 

Pyrantel Pamoate: Excellent against roundworms - 80 to 100% effective.

Dose: 1-2 mg per pigeon – 75 mg per gallon for 1-2 days. Repeat in 3 weeks.

Hope this helps a bit.

[gulkie]

thanks lads Roland 100% as usual.

[Sajfos]

"gulkie" ,

You didnt post the % strength of the Amoxycillin You propose to use ?

Dosages vary enormously on the percentage of medicines .

What dosage & duration did Your Vet advise ?

 

Steve..