Flying Natural

[Guest pigeondave]

who flys a good pigeon on the natural system.and what is the best nesting conditon too send them.thank you.

[blaz]

i fly natural birds on the kinbbotherd system .i just let birds pair and let them get on with it.keeping them healthy and happy.got told from more experienced fanciers i would need to do more than this.proved them wrong

[just ask me]

that the trick mate to find what condition suits which bird best you will nearly always get a turn out of a driving cock just be careful though as it can drive young cocks over the edge and i find with cocks on 6 to 8 day old young ones but this is just what i find

 

with hens well there a lot more qualified people on here to answer that one

[geordie1234]

Well this is the system i plan to fly so have done a bit of reading on the subject! I find that not all doos are the same different methods for each so i suppose all you can do is watch carefully take notes and send them

[yeboah]

I always used to race natural and had many good results ,not as easy working this system now because of raptors hence the change if you live in an area where you are not to troubled with the falcon this is what i used to do ,I had no stock every bird raced whether they had scored the previous year from 500mls in they went at the start the following year no exceptions ,they were also basket trained twice a week then two weeks prior to the gold cup race they would fly cheltenham approx 240 mls then be tossed from sixty miles the following sunday then be sent to the gold cup race on the tuesday night for friday race had my best results with hens all flying to chipping eggs or one day old youngster on basketing clocked them flying sixteen half hours on the day into nw wind ,one thing i found youngster must be there on return for hen ,had some good positions with cocks as well ,my cousin won three gold awards and he was really hard on the road work and would think nothing of doubling them back into 560 mls following them having raced 500 mls the week previous his best results were achieved racing cocks driving the hen and feeding a large youngster but not prior to basketing ,wish those days were able to be repeated with trouble free training but sadly will just have to make best of present climate ,hope this is of some help .good management good birds and a wee bit o good luck

[Guest pigeondave]

thank you guys for your replies.

[geordie1234]

Whats flying natural got to do with raptors???

[yeboah]

Whats flying natural got to do with raptors???

Simple if you are going to race natural you must road train to get any degree of success ie fitness if you do that where there is a high density of falcons you will loose one each toss ,widowhood birds don't need trained after first race ,so what returns on race day is almost guaranteed to be there the following week .

[blaz]

i fly natural birds with good success winning club and fed trophy,s

 

their is a good few ways to set birds up for a race.

cocks race well sitting eggs but still feeding big yb,s.

best result for me like this was 1st club 1st fed 18th open ypres s.n.f.c. also a good few other results like this.

 

through losing a hen last year the cock brought the signal yb up on his own from about 4 days old.soon as i seen yb eating on its own from bowl in nest box.i sent the cock to race 169 mile no tranning at all. the cock was 1st club 18th fed .not all cocks take to this but he did .he will be set up same way but fitter this year to a race a bit further.will also try with 1 or 2 other cocks.

 

putting a small mirror in nest box on day of birds getting put in basket can work to.as both cock and hen think another bird is in their space. plus no fighting and it gets them wound up.

 

getting a hen set up from ticking eggs .i have 2 dummy eggs with a small electric motor in side. i get the hen down on eggs in plenty of time for race so as her eggs then change for plastic eggs will hatched round about the day she gets put in basket for race.does not mater if eggs still have 3 or 4 days to hatch or if it is 2 or 3 days over.on day of basketing i put 2 ticking eggs under her .she then thinks her yb,s are hatching.done right with right hen grate results my best being 1st club 1st fed by 40 mins plus and 9th open eastbourne nat.

 

you will also get a good result from a some hens racing to a 2 to 4 day yb,

i find happy healthy content birds race that bit better.

 

photo of ticking eggs

 

i would like to see some other ideas from fanciers that fly natural as i we don,t help beginners then how will thay learn

 

hope this helps

 

better add got ticking egg gifted to me from my mate criminal law breaker THANKS as i could not buy them anywhere

Edited April 2, 2011 by blaz

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Hen we timed on the night from Falaise one year was given a dummy egg on day of basketting but we didn't use an electric motor a big worm does the same job

The motor seems like a handy tool to have though

[blaz]

Hen we timed on the night from Falaise one year was given a dummy egg on day of basketting but we didn't use an electric motor a big worm does the same job

The motor seems like a handy tool to have though

 

i don,t doubt for a second that a big worm inside a plastic works. with the electric motor in side one it is so much like a real yb trying to get out with the tap taping then stops for 5 or 10 mins then starts again.listening to a real chick trying to get out the egg and listening to the wee electric motor are so much alike.that said any movement and both cock or hen thinks chick is on its way out.

 

BE GOOD IF ANY MORE NATURAL FANCIERS COULD ADD TO THIS THREAD

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Cock that was my timer from Maidstone(380miles) last years motivation came about by chance.

He went to the race on a six day old baby with a catch-he'd looked after it by himself for 5 days til the night before basketting.

His hen(who was one of the main fancies for the race) was lost from a 40mile training flight the weekend before the race

He sat the baby by himself til the day before basketting.I swapped his baby with another pairs often so they were doing the feeding and not him.Eve before basketting I took him from the loft and put the baby under another pair.I basketted my other doos for marking leaving him til last.Let him go 40 ft away from the hut-he went straight for the lander then up to his nest box where his baby was waiting on him.He was then basketted for the race.

An ex-fancier who watches our doos with us on a Saturday took a wee shine to the cock over the course of the season-he was a consistent doo and had a 1 or 2 tickets(beaten to 1sts by loftmates)in the minor races.When I told him the night before what was happening he gave me a couple a' bob to put on him.

 

The cock put in a right good shift and was the first yearling into Central Scotland.I didn't duplicate into the SCC Yearling Derby but was told he would have won it

[dal2]

i don,t doubt for a second that a big worm inside a plastic works. with the electric motor in side one it is so much like a real yb trying to get out with the tap taping then stops for 5 or 10 mins then starts again.listening to a real chick trying to get out the egg and listening to the wee electric motor are so much alike.that said any movement and both cock or hen thinks chick is on its way out.

 

BE GOOD IF ANY MORE NATURAL FANCIERS COULD ADD TO THIS THREAD

 

Big worms and electric motors! Natural?

[blaz]

Cock that was my timer from Maidstone(380miles) last years motivation came about by chance.

He went to the race on a six day old baby with a catch-he'd looked after it by himself for 5 days til the night before basketting.

His hen(who was one of the main fancies for the race) was lost from a 40mile training flight the weekend before the race

He sat the baby by himself til the day before basketting.I swapped his baby with another pairs often so they were doing the feeding and not him.Eve before basketting I took him from the loft and put the baby under another pair.I basketted my other doos for marking leaving him til last.Let him go 40 ft away from the hut-he went straight for the lander then up to his nest box where his baby was waiting on him.He was then basketted for the race.

An ex-fancier who watches our doos with us on a Saturday took a wee shine to the cock over the course of the season-he was a consistent doo and had a 1 or 2 tickets(beaten to 1sts by loftmates)in the minor races.When I told him the night before what was happening he gave me a couple a' bob to put on him.

 

The cock put in a right good shift and was the first yearling into Central Scotland.I didn't duplicate into the SCC Yearling Derby but was told he would have won it

nice one a bit similar to me dropping a cock in to a 169 mile race.he beat in my opinion fitter birds of mine he just tried harder to get to his yb. i will see if he can try the same at one or other of inland nats this year

 

Big worms and electric motors! Natural?

 

we need to try one or two tricks with natural birds to beat the roundabout and WIDOWHOOD fanciers. i think set right a natural bird will give any on a set system a run for their money.if you could see my loft and the way i let birds live you would say it was natural . also think you would agree that thay are happy as i let them nest whare thay want and pick which loft thay want to be in .i even let a pair nest on floor right in cornor at door in to loft. their yb,s will be eating out of hopper in no time.if i don,t stand on them 1st

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Big worms and electric motors! Natural?

 

Do a lot of the continental fanciers not call it the nest system??maybe we had better use this term in future

 

Maybe in the past some fanciers could call themselves out and out natural fanciers at some stages of the year but don't really think such a think exists nowadays.Theres still a lot of good fliers around though who manipulate the nest cycle of their birds to win races

[dal2]

Do a lot of the continental fanciers not call it the nest system??maybe we had better use this term in future

 

Maybe in the past some fanciers could call themselves out and out natural fanciers at some stages of the year but don't really think such a think exists nowadays.Theres still a lot of good fliers around though who manipulate the nest cycle of their birds to win races

 

Of course! Nest manipulation is always used! Wot i was trying to point oot was that if you are settin a bird up for a certain race on a certain nest condition you should have a backup pair sittin on the same nest cycle so nowt can surprise you?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Of course! Nest manipulation is always used! Wot i was trying to point oot was that if you are settin a bird up for a certain race on a certain nest condition you should have a backup pair sittin on the same nest cycle so nowt can surprise you?

 

This is very true although not always possible.Have heard of good fliers in my area begging clubmates for a chipper on the day before basketting