sapper756 Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 Very good, and very truehttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/emoticon-0136-giggle.gifhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/emoticon-0136-giggle.gifhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/emoticon-0136-giggle.gif
cemetary Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 Thought that was BIGDA, telling it as it is,
Guest bigda Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 Thought that was BIGDA, telling it as it is, nope here is my take of them scammers just like the monkey they want every ones money take take and take these c-n-ts This article appears in the January 18, 2008 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. The Monkey Trapby John Hoefle For anyone who follows the financial media these days, it is clear that the situation with the global financial system continues to deteriorate. Giant financial institutions are writing off unprecedented amounts, and desperately seeking new sources of capital to plug the growing holes in their balance sheets. Central banks are injecting funds into the banking system in record amounts, consumer debt and personal bankruptcies are soaring, the whole system seems to be falling apart. Appearances, in this case, are not deceiving. What we are witnessing are not events which could lead to a financial collapse, but events which represent the disintegration of a system which has already died. This point is crucial to understanding all the maneuvering taking place as various financial groupings fight for their survival as their world crashes down around them. Ultimately this is a political fight rather than a financial one, since the real battle is over the nature of the system which will be established to replace the one which has failed. It is not a money matter to be decided by financial technocrats, but a philosophical and political battle over whether the republic created by our Founding Fathers will survive, or be absorbed back into the imperial system from which it broke free more than two centuries ago. Two Opposing Views of ManUnder the American System of Economics developed by Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Mathew and Henry Carey, and other wise men, the starting point of economic science is the power of reason of the human mind, with its ability to comprehend and develop the universe in which it lives. Each individual is thus a precious asset to be nurtured and educated, so that he or she may contribute to the welfare of humanity. The oligarchic system, on the other hand, views wealth as coming from things—from nature, from money, from labor, from control over raw materials and trade, and control over people. To the oligarch, humanity is like cattle, a herd to be managed and, when deemed convenient, culled. To the oligarch it is power, not the power of reason, which is important. This difference between two views of man was the issue when our nation was created; it was the issue faced by Abraham Lincoln; it was the issue faced by Franklin Roosevelt; and it is the issue facing us today. With the financial system in ruins, the natural impulse of the bankers, the speculators, and the wealthy is to try to save as much of their wealth as possible. Rather than admit their losses, they will insist that the problems are temporary, and that their wealth should be protected for the "benefit" of the public. Self-serving rationalizations are their stock in trade, and some of them even believe their own lies. Behind these fools who believed that the speculative bubble was real and that the present crisis is transitory, lie a much more evil bunch who intend to use the collapse of the bubble as a way to destroy the final remnants of the American System, and pave the way for a return to the days when empires ruled the world and the peasants knew their place. These old imperial ideas would be matched with modern technology and modern market-based controls, providing for levels of brainwashing, surveillance, and billing in ways that would make Big Brother proud. The 'Trap' Is in the MindThe irony is that the oligarchs are using the fools to help them finish the destruction of the nation. An analogy to this is the Malaysian monkey trap, a narrow-necked container into which the hunter puts a nut prized by monkeys. When the monkey reaches into the container and grabs the nut, his hand with the nut in his grasp is too big to be withdrawn from the narrow neck. All the monkey has to do to escape is release his grip and withdraw his empty hand, but he does not, preferring to hang on to his prize even when the hunter returns to collect him. The real trap is not the container, but the inability of the monkey to recognize the nature of his situation. The same can be said of the money fools who refuse to let go of their fictitious assets. There is but one acceptable solution to this mess: We must use the power of government to put the financial system through bankruptcy, to separate the fictitious claims from the real, protecting the real assets of society—the people—while writing down the speculative paper in an orderly way. Since we are in the midst of a financial firestorm, emergency action is required to erect firewalls to protect the public and the necessary public and private functions. Home foreclosures must be stopped, to prevent people from being thrown out of their houses while we clean up the mess. Education, health care, sanitation, and all the other necessary services must be kept functioning, as well as the food and energy supplies and even the banking system, to handle the ordinary flow of money and to provide credit for the rebuilding process. All of this is possible, it is all workable; the obstacles are not procedural but mental. Like the monkey, we have but to let go of our delusion and we will be free. MadnessExamine the actions of U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and their peers in this regard. Despite the claims of Paulson and President Bush that they are working to help homeowners avoid foreclosure, what they are really trying to do is prevent the vaporization of trillions of dollars' worth—so to speak—of financial paper, by maintaining the illusion that it still has value. The efforts supposedly aimed at helping homeowners are actually aimed at slowing the collapse of the real estate market in order to protect the values of the mountain of mortgage-related securities and the solvency of the institutions that own it. Far from helping people, they are perpetuating a system which has driven home prices (and rents) to unconscionable levels and ravaged the living standards of the lower 80% of the population, by family income. The bankers are perpetrating a giant criminal fraud upon the nations and their populations. The securitization scheme of which the mortgage securities were but a part, was designed as a giant debt-recycling machine, converting loan exposures into securities which could be moved off the books of financial institutions and into hedge funds, money-market funds, pension funds, and others. Some of these buyers, like the hedge funds, used them as the basis for speculation of their own, while others, like the pension funds, were merely suckers, lured in by the promise of high yields. Others were little more than toxic waste dumps, where the worst of the securities were hidden from sight—with inflated book values, of course. Now that this securitization machine has broken, the bankers have turned their attention to the governments of the world. One of the most interesting aspects of the way in which the central banks have injected money into the banking system, is that they have loosened the restrictions on the types of collateral they will take. From all indications, they have accepted significant quantities of mortgage-related and other securities as collateral for loans, which raises a question as to the extent the loans might be cover for selected draining of some of the worthless paper out of the system. Since the problem of the banking system is insolvency, programs that exchanged worthless assets for cash would ease their problems slightly. This wouldn't be nearly enough to rescue them, but it could buy them a little of the time they so desperately need. The financial system is dominated by mountains of debt which can never be paid, and must be continually rolled over. This debt-recycling process is based upon the idea of taking out new loans to pay off old ones; it allows the illusion that debts are current and avoids such unpleasantries as defaults and bankruptcies, even though the system becomes more bankrupt with each rollover. As long as the money could be found to handle the rollovers, the system could continue; but now, with the collapse of the system itself causing enormous losses, the players are more concerned with saving themselves than in saving others. The banks, knowing how bad their own conditions are, don't trust anyone else, forcing the central banks to pick up the slack in the inter-bank overnight markets. The asset-backed commercial paper markets have shrunk considerably, as have the markets for CDOs and other exotic (read: worthless) instruments. Everyone wants to sell, no one wants to buy, and that's big trouble for paper whose value is based upon what you can get when you sell it. If the markets can't buy it, all that is left are the governments, which are being pressured by the bankers to intervene. The British press, ever willing to sell nations down the river, have been full of calls for the governments to step in and bail out the banks. Treasury Secretary Paulson stated in December, while on his three-city tour to push his "housing plan," that "the proper role of government is to work with the private sector to avoid a market failure." We are rapidly approaching the point of open calls for a government bailout of the banking system, far beyond what the Fed, the Federal Home Loan Bank, and other U.S. agencies have already done. This will be presented as a move to help the "little people" as part of the sales pitch, but the way to help the people and the nation is to call a stop to this nonsense, and pass LaRouche's Homeowners and Bank Protection Act (see www.larouchepac.com), creating a firewall to defend the general welfare under conditions of collapse, while a New Bretton Woods-type system is put together.
Guest spin cycle Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 'american system of economics vs oligarch' what a load of b*lls**t try selling the 'american system of economics' to native americans....america's rapid economic growth came because it had lots of space and abundant raw materials to exploit....but at the expense of the indigenous indians....if that isn't imperialism i don't know what is. the only difference is that america was a republic as opposed to a monarchy. i don't like the big banks excesses anymore than anyone else....my part of the world is filled every weekend by 'hooray henries'...talking about 'town' (london) and buying every cottage to the detriment of local kids who can't now buy a home. BUT if a bank goes bust what do you think happens?? do you think that alot of fat blokes with cigars start to jump of the stock exchange??...no i run a small business and have accounts with various local suppliers. lets say one of them went bust...the administrator would firstly write to all the customers to get the monies owed...that money goes then to paying the creditors. SO if a bank goes bust the administrator goes to everybody who owed it money and says 'pay up please'....the result is business' go bust...jobs lost...people who have mortgages have to find another lender or sell their home and are out on the street.
Fly_caster Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 BUT if a bank goes bust what do you think happens?? do you think that alot of fat blokes with cigars start to jump of the stock exchange??...no i run a small business and have accounts with various local suppliers. lets say one of them went bust...the administrator would firstly write to all the customers to get the monies owed...that money goes then to paying the creditors. SO if a bank goes bust the administrator goes to everybody who owed it money and says 'pay up please'....the result is business' go bust...jobs lost...people who have mortgages have to find another lender or sell their home and are out on the street. Whilst I appreciate and respect the rest of your post (no need to reprint) the above quote is not accurate in as much as there is a much better value to the outstanding loans being sold-on to another "lender" rather than collect them to satisfy creditors. Truth is that a loan is based on a legal document which the Bank must adhere to assuming the other terms of the loan are being met. This protects the borrower. Saying that, it is the selling of "debt" by the US that has most of the rest of the world in financial trouble, not least my own fair isle of Ireland. The likes of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac banks were mortgage providers, who loaned to anybody on a very high percentage basis (i.e. 100% mortgages). When they couldn't collect, they packaged this "debt" and sold it to other banks at a knock-down price. The other banks were thrilled, until they went to try and make some money from these loans by either collecting or selling-on the debts. To their astonishment, the loans were rated as less than one star, having been sold originally as 5 star debt.......and the banks here got their comeuppance ! share prices fell through the floor, reserves were used up and internal management pressures forced a tightening of credit and a reduction in the creditworthiness of the banks - all because they were a greedy bunch of Cnuts ! sorry for the veering from the point, but it was relevant to your post. Debt is more valuable than cash ! (In the financial world) Steve
Guest spin cycle Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 Whilst I appreciate and respect the rest of your post (no need to reprint) the above quote is not accurate in as much as there is a much better value to the outstanding loans being sold-on to another "lender" rather than collect them to satisfy creditors. Truth is that a loan is based on a legal document which the Bank must adhere to assuming the other terms of the loan are being met. This protects the borrower. Saying that, it is the selling of "debt" by the US that has most of the rest of the world in financial trouble, not least my own fair isle of Ireland. The likes of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac banks were mortgage providers, who loaned to anybody on a very high percentage basis (i.e. 100% mortgages). When they couldn't collect, they packaged this "debt" and sold it to other banks at a knock-down price. The other banks were thrilled, until they went to try and make some money from these loans by either collecting or selling-on the debts. To their astonishment, the loans were rated as less than one star, having been sold originally as 5 star debt.......and the banks here got their comeuppance ! share prices fell through the floor, reserves were used up and internal management pressures forced a tightening of credit and a reduction in the creditworthiness of the banks - all because they were a greedy bunch of Cnuts ! sorry for the veering from the point, but it was relevant to your post. Debt is more valuable than cash ! (In the financial world) you seem better versed than i...perhaps i adopt a to simplistic take on the situation. my observations were based on northern rock...who was going to buy its debt apart from the government?...if the government hadn't bought northern rock and 'she'd gone bust'...surely the administrators would have called in the loans and put many homeowners out on the streets through no fault of their own? if 'debt' can be 'packaged up and sold at a knockdown price' why wasn't irelands debt sold like this?....surely it was because no-one would buy the debt for fear of default? thus a bailout had to take place Steve
Guest spin cycle Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 sorry my reply has got tangled up with your post and i can't edit it out
Guest geordiejen Posted February 8, 2011 Report Posted February 8, 2011 we had to bail out the banks in the uk and they still get massive bonuses for doing their job.these *expletive removed* then turn round and say well if you dont give me the money then i will go to another bank and get it.no win situation for us working peasants.
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