Snfc Proposed Race Points.

[clockman]

In the UK the most common winds (known as the prevailing winds) are from the west or south-west. These winds arrive in Britain after crossing the Atlantic Ocean and is normal around 75% of the year .

 

 

QUITE INTERESTING

 

THATS HOW WE GET SO MUCH BLOODY RAIN

aye plenty wind fae the west,

[JohnQuinn]

The south birds will still get blown east then John?

 

Aye that is the case Steven, i believe the most Easterly lofts have an advantage over ALL other sections in the club when we race out of France, the answer is to get out of there, this is my opinion on it and as i said earlier, i've been aware of the imbalance of chance for years and would like it changed. When it is Obvious one competitor has an advantage over another surely something MUST be done to even it out, SURELY.

[lanarkshire lad]

Aye that is the case Steven, i believe the most Easterly lofts have an advantage over ALL other sections in the club when we race out of France, the answer is to get out of there, this is my opinion on it and as i said earlier, i've been aware of the imbalance of chance for years and would like it changed. When it is Obvious one competitor has an advantage over another surely something MUST be done to even it out, SURELY.

For a start john you would need to limit the birdage to for example 3 each.

[JohnQuinn]

For a start john you would need to limit the birdage to for example 3 each.

 

They tried limiting birdage years ago, it made not an iota of difference to the result.

[Guest bigda]

There are 3 ways to pool your pigeons in the national, Fed, Section and Open, i watched my Da for years filling in pool sheets and NEVER pooling birds in the Open. When i was old enough to ask why and understand it, he said WE HAVE NO CHANCE pooling against the South and East fanciers. He was 100% right.

Now when i send birds i don't just Expect a fair shake at winning 1st Open, i Fuchin DEMAND IT or whats the point in entering??????

The absolute fact is we were racing from the WRONG country for nearly a 100 years before circumstances changed things, well i'm no prepared to wait for Circumstance to change it permanently, i will propose Liege or some other race that gives Every fancier and Every Pigeon a chance to win it, until i'm old and grey. I don't accept second best Ever and i'm get nothing but second best when we race from France. In another 100 years people will look back in History and see how bloody STUPID pigeon men were, even when the answer was SCREAMING at them they argued against it, and that will be their exact thoughts on how we are handling this, unless we MAKE IT FAIR.

here ,here, get it changed to the east for fairer racing for all bigda as is you know i am right oslo would be nice trial

[lanarkshire lad]

They tried limiting birdage years ago, it made not an iota of difference to the result.

Your no getting what iam oan about

[budgie]

Last time at Liege 2001 it was won by L.McKAY,Carnoustie flying 527 mls Vel;-1248 with1564 birds with the lowest prize and pool money(£26761) SINCE 1968 when it was Won at Rennes by T.Harper ,Stranraer.

Edited January 14, 2011 by budgie

[lanarkshire lad]

Last time at Liege 2001 it was won by L.McKAY,Carnoustie flying 527 mls Vel;-1248 with1564 birds with the lowest prize and pool money(£26761) SINCE 1968 when it was one at Rennes by T.Harper ,Stranraer.

So whats your point?

[yeboah]

Dont see what the problem is with rennes the late jock alan from symington in the west section used to time them fun on really hard races nae blow hames ,was never a problem to him and others

quite simply they had the goods and were very good at setting them up ,as for this east west argument john hodgson swears by training birds on line of flight eg from point a to b ,and who can argue with johns record

[JohnQuinn]

Dont see what the problem is with rennes the late jock alan from symington in the west section used to time them fun on really hard races nae blow hames ,was never a problem to him and others

quite simply they had the goods and were very good at setting them up ,as for this east west argument john hodgson swears by training birds on line of flight eg from point a to b ,and who can argue with johns record

 

How many times was Jock Allan 1st OPEN? NONE! Why? because he had nae chance before his doos were liberated.

Edited January 14, 2011 by JohnQuinn

[Guest stb-]

Dont see what the problem is with rennes the late jock alan from symington in the west section used to time them fun on really hard races nae blow hames ,was never a problem to him and others

quite simply they had the goods and were very good at setting them up ,as for this east west argument john hodgson swears by training birds on line of flight eg from point a to b ,and who can argue with johns record

AND HOW MANY TIMES WAS JOCK ALLEN BEATEN WAY DOOS IN THE EAST ????

 

EVERYTIME

[Blue Tooner]

Would it be possible for somebody to post a map with a straight line from say Liege to the centre of each section. I.M.O. I Can't see how being measured almost entirely over the north sea gives a truer distance in relation to what the pigeon actually flies. I know the late George Ritchie put up a great performance in the north section from Liege in 2001, taking the first 3 in the section with 3 good open positions starting at I think 57th?,, the national was also won in Carnoustie...so obviously a fair amount of sea was flown over for them to do so well but I think on most occasions the birds will take a shorter crossing and come up the east coast which I think will disadvantage the guys in the west also even though they would have a better distance. To me a straight line down through the Cherbourg peninsula, distance wise to me here in the north, shortest channel race - 600mls, Gold Cup race 620-650mls with the longest race around the 700 mark.

As fair as possible for EVERY fancier is all I ask. Nevertheless whichever racepoints are chosen I will send as you will never win with no birds at the race.

[lanarkshire lad]

Would it be possible for somebody to post a map with a straight line from say Liege to the centre of each section. I.M.O. I Can't see how being measured almost entirely over the north sea gives a truer distance in relation to what the pigeon actually flies. I know the late George Ritchie put up a great performance in the north section from Liege in 2001, taking the first 3 in the section with 3 good open positions starting at I think 57th?,, the national was also won in Carnoustie...so obviously a fair amount of sea was flown over for them to do so well but I think on most occasions the birds will take a shorter crossing and come up the east coast which I think will disadvantage the guys in the west also even though they would have a better distance. To me a straight line down through the Cherbourg peninsula, distance wise to me here in the north, shortest channel race - 600mls, Gold Cup race 620-650mls with the longest race around the 700 mark.

As fair as possible for EVERY fancier is all I ask. Nevertheless whichever racepoints are chosen I will send as you will never win with no birds at the race.

Should re phrase to never know what conditions your birds will face at the race.

[DJWa]

Would it be possible for somebody to post a map with a straight line from say Liege to the centre of each section. I.M.O. I Can't see how being measured almost entirely over the north sea gives a truer distance in relation to what the pigeon actually flies. I know the late George Ritchie put up a great performance in the north section from Liege in 2001, taking the first 3 in the section with 3 good open positions starting at I think 57th?,, the national was also won in Carnoustie...so obviously a fair amount of sea was flown over for them to do so well but I think on most occasions the birds will take a shorter crossing and come up the east coast which I think will disadvantage the guys in the west also even though they would have a better distance. To me a straight line down through the Cherbourg peninsula, distance wise to me here in the north, shortest channel race - 600mls, Gold Cup race 620-650mls with the longest race around the 700 mark.

As fair as possible for EVERY fancier is all I ask. Nevertheless whichever racepoints are chosen I will send as you will never win with no birds at the race.

57th 62nd and 70th open for a 1,2,3. in the section

great flying

[JohnQuinn]

Would it be possible for somebody to post a map with a straight line from say Liege to the centre of each section. I.M.O. I Can't see how being measured almost entirely over the north sea gives a truer distance in relation to what the pigeon actually flies. I know the late George Ritchie put up a great performance in the north section from Liege in 2001, taking the first 3 in the section with 3 good open positions starting at I think 57th?,, the national was also won in Carnoustie...so obviously a fair amount of sea was flown over for them to do so well but I think on most occasions the birds will take a shorter crossing and come up the east coast which I think will disadvantage the guys in the west also even though they would have a better distance. To me a straight line down through the Cherbourg peninsula, distance wise to me here in the north, shortest channel race - 600mls, Gold Cup race 620-650mls with the longest race around the 700 mark.

As fair as possible for EVERY fancier is all I ask. Nevertheless whichever racepoints are chosen I will send as you will never win with no birds at the race.

 

I would love to know who decided birds are feart to fly over water for any great distance, you stated yourself the Ritchie pigeon Must have covered plenty of water to win its prize. Tell me this, do you think it would have achieved the same Open position if they raced from France that same day?

[lanarkshire lad]

Because every fancier gets a Truer distance coming from an Easterly race point (Truer in relation to how far each individual pigeon ACTUALLY flies), that gives everyone a chance to be able to one day say they have won the Ultimate prize in our sport. To continue on a line from Rennes say, just because some men decide it was a good place 100 years ago, simply means that not only would i need an Exceptional pigeon in my basket, i need a Very Rare set of racing conditions to happen at the same time. It may never be the case that i have a bird good enough to win it, but i'll never know unless i get as Fair a shout as every fancier in the race of winning it.

Hey john if fancier A sends 10 Doos to the race And fancier B sends 2 How can that be fair.

[JohnQuinn]

The guy sending 10 is in an advantageous position to start with that is why he sends 10, and the guy sending 2 lives near me

[Guest stb-]

Hey john if fancier A sends 10 Doos to the race And fancier B sends 2 How can that be fair.

THATS NO THE PROBLEM AND YOU KNOW THAT

[yeboah]

How many times was Jock Allan 1st OPEN? NONE! Why? because he had nae chance before his doos were liberated.

John the point i am trying to make is he was timing them on the shift with perhaps only thirty to forty birds being timed on the day ,from a convoy in those days of approx 7500 at the gold cup now that is a helluva doos behind you ,when derrick nordon was 1st and second open with anniversary girl and danny boy i think when i spoke to derrick that marking night he had approx seven away but everyone had a top ten open position from the gold cup CREAM COMES TO THE TOP no matter where you send them no matter about the direction the best will be at the front and the other 90 plus percent will be also rans

[JohnQuinn]

When Eddie Newcombe was beating all before him, the very men who were jealous of his success and voted in a 12 bird limit are the very same one''s who have perpetuated the club racing from France because they want Everything in Their favour. I must say Jim, your argument leaves me a little perplexed considering you race on much the same line from East to West as i do. I mean how will you feel if you were 2nd open to a bird 50 miles East of you and the wind was Westerly. I'd be vomiting

[lanarkshire lad]

The guy sending 10 is in an advantageous position to start with that is why he sends 10, and the guy sending 2 lives near me

I like that one john

[JohnQuinn]

I like that one john

 

Aye, ma sense a humour hisnae deserted me awe the gither

[JohnQuinn]

John the point i am trying to make is he was timing them on the shift with perhaps only thirty to forty birds being timed on the day ,from a convoy in those days of approx 7500 at the gold cup now that is a helluva doos behind you ,when derrick nordon was 1st and second open with anniversary girl and danny boy i think when i spoke to derrick that marking night he had approx seven away but everyone had a top ten open position from the gold cup CREAM COMES TO THE TOP no matter where you send them no matter about the direction the best will be at the front and the other 90 plus percent will be also rans

 

I don't believe the argument they Win from anywhere, they will win Money and win Section prizes but 1st Open is what Everyone wants and that CAN'T happen when some Very Good competitors have an advantage over others before the doos are sent, and loft location in relation to a liberation site is an advantage, no getting away from it as its the same and acknowledged world wide.

[Guest stb-]

When Eddie Newcombe was beating all before him, the very men who were jealous of his success and voted in a 12 bird limit are the very same one''s who have perpetuated the club racing from France because they want Everything in Their favour. I must say Jim, your argument leaves me a little perplexed considering you race on much the same line from East to West as i do. I mean how will you feel if you were 2nd open to a bird 50 miles East of you and the wind was Westerly. I'd be vomiting%5B/color%5Dhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/crying.gif

BEEN A FEW SPEWS OWER THIS SIDE AFORE

[yeboah]

I don't believe the argument they Win from anywhere, they will win Money and win Section prizes but 1st Open is what Everyone wants and that CAN'T happen when some Very Good competitors have an advantage over others before the doos are sent, and loft location in relation to a liberation site is an advantage, no getting away from it as its the same and acknowledged world wide.

John ,jimmy dals hoddam dynamo has got a first and third open to its credit along with a list of other wins,including last years gold cup going for its gold award this year and i bet anyone if it is fortunate enough to get to the start line and gets a clear run we will not have to look very far from the top of the result to find it ,anyway best o luck for 2011 and if we are really wanting to win nationals only one answer to that mate move house