End Of The Road For Long Distance Races

[Guest bigda]

modest velocity under 1400 for Nat inland races. and under 1200 for distance races as after all an open is termed as mile a minute race, am i not right

[dal2]

modest velocity under 1400 for Nat inland races. and under 1200 for distance races as after all an open is termed as mile a minute race, am i not right

 

 

Surely the doo wae the highest recorded velocity is the winner??? Surely the wind /weather dictates the velocity???

[Guest bigda]

Surely the doo wae the highest recorded velocity is the winner??? Surely the wind /weather dictates the velocity???

 

 

the same can be said on a perfect day, it has never happened

as i say, maybe the birds are to slow, and in all the years

they haven't evolved in Scotland. to reach the speed that they are capable of flying at on a good day, somebody has addressed it as mile a minute races have seen race from Perth

flying into London with velocity's of 1500-1600 why is that flying the same terrain

[walterbmasson]

but what about when you hand in a resignation when has that to be in by, also can a penalty's stop you from racing in other feds and clubs for the sake of £6 - pound -£20 pound is that in the rule book and will that not have an effect on membership

Walter seems you can join the Nat on the day for a £10 if yer getting ferried with them

danny SNFC FEES ARE £25 WELL THE £6 PENELTY IS IF YOU ARE NOT JOINED BY 1ST APRIL this great club added onto the subscription rule4 which if you are not joined by 1st april you have resigned theres no year book or race sheets will be sent then you must resign by letter if you dont the SNFC WILL BAN YOU THROUGH ----- S H U SO YOU CANT RACE BIRDS WITH YOUR CLUB OR FED ------ AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING TOO OFTEN FORCING FANCIERS OUT OF THE SPORT FOR NOTHING to a lot of fanciers including myself the scottish national is specialist club for 5 6 7hundred miles and every year you just havent got a bird to compete so why stop them from racing in there own club and fed its leaves a bad taste in your mouth //////// i think this is what your getting at danny

[Guest bigda]

danny SNFC FEES ARE £25 WELL THE £6 PENELTY IS IF YOU ARE NOT JOINED BY 1ST APRIL this great club added onto the subscription rule4 which if you are not joined by 1st april you have resigned theres no year book or race sheets will be sent then you must resign by letter if you dont the SNFC WILL BAN YOU THROUGH ----- S H U SO YOU CANT RACE BIRDS WITH YOUR CLUB OR FED ------ AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING TOO OFTEN FORCING FANCIERS OUT OF THE SPORT FOR NOTHING to a lot of fanciers including myself the scottish national is specialist club for 5 6 7hundred miles and every year you just havent got a bird to compete so why stop them from racing in there own club and fed its leaves a bad taste in your mouth //////// i think this is what your getting at danny

 

Walter you are a mind reader but i needed some one to come out and say it as you know i am here for the under dog as i have said before loads on here don't know nothing and get told nothing to me the committees are only there for the prestige to sit at a top table , tee hee"n at there bosses jokes

[Guest IB]

danny SNFC FEES ARE £25 WELL THE £6 PENELTY IS IF YOU ARE NOT JOINED BY 1ST APRIL this great club added onto the subscription rule4 which if you are not joined by 1st april you have resigned theres no year book or race sheets will be sent then you must resign by letter if you dont the SNFC WILL BAN YOU THROUGH ----- S H U SO YOU CANT RACE BIRDS WITH YOUR CLUB OR FED ------ AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING TOO OFTEN FORCING FANCIERS OUT OF THE SPORT FOR NOTHING to a lot of fanciers including myself the scottish national is specialist club for 5 6 7hundred miles and every year you just havent got a bird to compete so why stop them from racing in there own club and fed its leaves a bad taste in your mouth //////// i think this is what your getting at danny

 

Bit of a mix-up there methinks. £6 penalty was imposed because habitual late payers - i.e EXISTING members - whose late payment cost the SNFC money in overdraft interest. The bit you didn't answer was resignations must be in by the AGM. If they haven't resigned before January's AGM, then they are still members in April, and due their fees. And just like any other organisation, SNFC have a right to pursue money they are owed, and if it isn't paid, then debt suspension follows.

[Guest bigda]

Walter i think this should be addresses, at the next agm as members are scarce enough, now and are in no position

now to refuse or turn members away, after all they sanctioned a £10 on the day. for none members after the first of April

time they got the finger out, clockey is on here but take it he knows nothing, and can"t say to the Pilgrims whats what.

[Guest IB]

Walter i think this should be addresses, at the next agm as members are scarce enough, now and are in no position

now to refuse or turn members away, after all they sanctioned a £10 on the day. for none members after the first of April

time they got the finger out, clockey is on here but take it he knows nothing, and can"t say to the Pilgrims whats what.

 

Another mix-up methinks. The £10 payment is actually due 2 weeks before the race date. At my marking station, I have witnessed the £10 being accepted on marking night, because we do not want to turn non-members away, the whole point of the scheme was to give this year's non-members a taste of National racing in the hope of them becoming full members next year .

[Guest bigda]

Bit of a mix-up there methinks. £6 penalty was imposed because habitual late payers - i.e EXISTING members - whose late payment cost the SNFC money in overdraft interest. The bit you didn't answer was resignations must be in by the AGM. If they haven't resigned before January's AGM, then they are still members in April, and due their fees. And just like any other organisation, SNFC have a right to pursue money they are owed, and if it isn't paid, then debt suspension follows.

 

 

surely that can only apply, for 3 years only and if you haven't raised a small claims against then you have admitted your not pursuing the case further, and the slate is wiped clean just as like a bankrupt

[Guest IB]

surely that can only apply, for 3 years only and if you haven't raised a small claims against then you have admitted your not pursuing the case further, and the slate is wiped clean just as like a bankrupt

 

I was talking about pigeon organisations, and their standing rules. Debt suspension when ratified by the Union is for an indefinite period, it lasts until the debt is paid.

[Guest bigda]

I was talking about pigeon organizations, and their standing rules. Debt suspension when ratified by the Union is for an indefinite period, it lasts until the debt is paid.

 

 

not sure ib on that as pigeon clubs and union are constitutional, and state they are a none "profit" making

organization and only allowed so much in the bank, having loads of money in the bank can come down to money laundering, tricky one if challenged me thinks, as if there any one out there has a grievance against the Nat might come ahead

[Guest IB]

not sure ib on that as pigeon clubs and union are constitutional, and state they are a none "profit" making

organization and only allowed so much in the bank, having loads of money in the bank can come down to money laundering, tricky one if challenged me thinks, as if there any one out there has a grievance against the Nat might come ahead

 

Contrary to what you say, all money must be lodged with the bank as most treasurers are restricted on the amount of cash in hand.

 

You cannot lodge large amounts of money with any bank without proofs of its origin.

 

Pigeon clubs are not run as a business to provide profits (for shareholders), but every organisation must earn more than it spends to survive, and that's called operating profit. Previous years operating profits are shown as reserves. And the accounts are audited.

[walterbmasson]

Bit of a mix-up there methinks. £6 penalty was imposed because habitual late payers - i.e EXISTING members - whose late payment cost the SNFC money in overdraft interest. The bit you didn't answer was resignations must be in by the AGM. If they haven't resigned before January's AGM, then they are still members in April, and due their fees. And just like any other organisation, SNFC have a right to pursue money they are owed, and if it isn't paid, then debt suspension follows.

IAN i am not getting involved with this issue but why have the members been stopped racing in there own clubs and fed if the SNFC wants to ban any of the members for resigning as it definately says if not joined by 1st of april /////(NO) YEAR BOOK OR RACE SHEETS WILL BE SENT OUT and its entirely up to the fancier if he wants to join or not this is a free world you can join a golf club football club any kind of club you want you join if you if you dont join its up to every indivudal for god sake every club and fed member is made to resign every year till they pay there fees if rejoin pay your entry fee as a new member this is a very delicate subject as you will find oot ..... that is me oot o this one cheers walter..

 

[Guest bigda]

IAN i am not getting involved with this issue but why have the members been stopped racing in there own clubs and fed if the SNFC wants to ban any of the members for resigning as it definately says if not joined by 1st of april /////(NO) YEAR BOOK OR RACE SHEETS WILL BE SENT OUT and its entirely up to the fancier if he wants to join or not this is a free world you can join a golf club football club any kind of club you want you join if you if you dont join its up to every indivudal for god sake every club and fed member is made to resign every year till they pay there fees if rejoin pay your entry fee as a new member this is a very delicate subject as you will find oot ..... that is me oot o this one cheers walter..

 

 

agree there Walter, don't think that is in the rule book

as you say you are not a member till you pay yer money yearly

just like a season ticket your no a member till you by one every year

[hotrod]

i agree with u on the membership issue danny ,the snrpc does this if u dont rejoin then your no a member and have to re-apply , as for the end of long distance racing ,it could be the end of doo racing very soon if the racing keeps going the way its been these last few years .

[walterbmasson]

i agree with u on the membership issue danny ,the snrpc does this if u dont rejoin then your no a member and have to re-apply , as for the end of long distance racing ,it could be the end of doo racing very soon if the racing keeps going the way its been these last few years .

STUART i cant see why more does not see this wait and see the amount of birds that go to french nats this year as if its like the last few years it will be bleak and another way to look at it soon if you send you will get in the first 100 if you time a bird

 

[hotrod]

STUART i cant see why more does not see this wait and see the amount of birds that go to french nats this year as if its like the last few years it will be bleak and another way to look at it soon if you send you will get in the first 100 if you time a bird

yip walter im afraid thats the way its going /is

[dal2]

So many more birds would be sent by fanciers that are not members of the SNFC? SNRPC?. Can you join the SNRPC on the nite for a one off race? Are there loads of debt suspended members oot there that want to send their birds wae these organisations?

Sorry I just dont get the arguement. If you dont want tae be a member dont join, if you are a member and want to quit write a letter(if thats wot the club wants) and resign.

[hotrod]

So many more birds would be sent by fanciers that are not members of the SNFC? SNRPC?. Can you join the SNRPC on the nite for a one off race? Are there loads of debt suspended members oot there that want to send their birds wae these organisations?

Sorry I just dont get the arguement. If you dont want tae be a member dont join, if you are a member and want to quit write a letter(if thats wot the club wants) and resign.

naw i dont think there are lots of birds anywhere ,if u forget to pay yer dough to the snfc or if u cant afford it after the agm , u get a letter to say u must pay or u could be debt suspended ,the next thing u know is you are debt suspended by the shu this happens after a year, ie u have until the next agm to pay or the shu are notified of the suspention then the shu suspend u from the union as well so u canmt race in your club/fed .this has happened to friends of mine in fact one sent a letter of resignation to the snfc secretary thinking thats him no longer a member gets a letter later in year asking for his money he ignores it thinking they made a mistake ,the next thing is he is suspended .so now u would think do i send a registered letter to the secrtary just to resign from a pigeon club ?

[Guest bigda]

naw i dont think there are lots of birds anywhere ,if u forget to pay yer dough to the snfc or if u cant afford it after the agm , u get a letter to say u must pay or u could be debt suspended ,the next thing u know is you are debt suspended by the shu this happens after a year, ie u have until the next agm to pay or the shu are notified of the suspention then the shu suspend u from the union as well so u canmt race in your club/fed .this has happened to friends of mine in fact one sent a letter of resignation to the snfc secretary thinking thats him no longer a member gets a letter later in year asking for his money he ignores it thinking they made a mistake ,the next thing is he is suspended .so now u would think do i send a registered letter to the secrtary just to resign from a pigeon club ?

 

just to add why dose the Shu not sponsor or go out its way to have an amalgamation race for all Scottish fliers as she is the sole benefactor of all our moneys

[dal2]

naw i dont think there are lots of birds anywhere ,if u forget to pay yer dough to the snfc or if u cant afford it after the agm , u get a letter to say u must pay or u could be debt suspended ,the next thing u know is you are debt suspended by the shu this happens after a year, ie u have until the next agm to pay or the shu are notified of the suspention then the shu suspend u from the union as well so u canmt race in your club/fed .this has happened to friends of mine in fact one sent a letter of resignation to the snfc secretary thinking thats him no longer a member gets a letter later in year asking for his money he ignores it thinking they made a mistake ,the next thing is he is suspended .so now u would think do i send a registered letter to the secrtary just to resign from a pigeon club ?

 

Thats very regretable for yer mate. If he sent in his resignation letter at the AGM then its clearly a mistake.

Politics is a massive burden to the sport up here and the split in the nats is farcical. Speaking as someone who only races pigeons without holdin any office post ever enjoyment is everything and readin on here continously about the imminent death of distance racing etc then i think i wont bother. No doubt mistakes will have been made by committee and member but surely not unsermountable?

[hotrod]

Thats very regretable for yer mate. If he sent in his resignation letter at the AGM then its clearly a mistake.

Politics is a massive burden to the sport up here and the split in the nats is farcical. Speaking as someone who only races pigeons without holdin any office post ever enjoyment is everything and readin on here continously about the imminent death of distance racing etc then i think i wont bother. No doubt mistakes will have been made by committee and member but surely not unsermountable?

he sent it to the secretary before the agm mate , and yer right its naw the end of the world ,rules are rules so we will need to abide by them end of.

[duncandoo]

for non members of the national,can they keep paying ten pounds to fly in the inland nationals,or can they only do it for one year,and have to join the national the next year to compeat in any races.money seems to rule everything now.people waiting hoping that they might get one ready for the inland national,pay there tenner and with a bit of luck plunder the pools,and hope for a repeat performance next year,i hope we get back to one inland national next year

[budgie]

To all members who are National minded and who have won Diplomas with their great clubs enjoy looking at your winners during this winter as they are the important aspect of all and that is why we keep racing pigeons as a sport and keep clear of the Politics and all this Sh-te.

[BrianP]

I have kept pigeons with vairying success for more than twenty years and now feel that i have a team of doo's ready to try and compete at national level.

 

My father won the Dewar Trophy in 1980 and ive always said that this was the goal that i wished to achieve.

Even if my goal is not achieved, surely just trying at the highest level in the land is what every doo man should be trying/.And that means SNFC, no substitue. Just ask anyone who has won SNRPC if they would swap it for a SNFC win, if their hounest i bet they would.

So of you guys on this site hae to much time in your hands, to write so much piffle.