hi folks been out of the sport for years how its

[cleaner]

hi folks  been out of the sport for ten yrs thinking of starting up again but hell what a change the old ways  have gone  me i am a goerdie   and proud of it the old way were the best   :)

[PIGEONJIMI]

Welcome to the site cleaner, Im in a similar position (No birds),Things certainly have changed over the years,Gone are the day's of a quick squirt with the lice powder & away you go,Now it's pills & potions for everything,One thing that has not changed though is the help that Pigeon men/women on this site offer to all,enjoy your time here

[cleaner]

hi bud thanks  your rite  gone were the days    my bible  was a old book called pigion lore  by a najior nealson      have you read it if not  have o peep    

[cleaner]

any one read pigion  lore ?  the old and comon sense  ways   :-/

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Been out the game for 40 years even more of a change, I expect.  Started last year and the friendship within the sport is still the same.  I too am adopting the methods I know, but afraid the potions are in use because of the number of gift birds from different lofts, however that will change once I get established with a team.  The modern methods may have to be learned as time passes, but for now I shall use those that I know and the advice given by those I have come to respect in the sport.

[kev43]

WELCOME 2 u both ,,, cleaner,,,kyleakin lofts

[flyingteessider]

you can get all sorts now at the end of a season but you try getting birds in the middle of a season see what happens youll get nowt you can either get latebreds or birds that have done crap and havent been binned ,peoples generosity doesnt extend to giving ther best birds away if your starting up buy descent

[Guest IB]

you can get all sorts now at the end of a season but you try getting birds in the middle of a season see what happens youll get nowt you can either get latebreds or birds that have done crap and havent been binned ,peoples generosity doesnt extend to giving ther best birds away if your starting up buy descent

 

You are maybe being a little unfair. Isn't it unrealistic to expect to get birds from anyone 'in the middle of the season' when the fancier probably has his loft set up for racing the program? In my opinion the common-sense time to do it is at the end of the racing season.

 

I was also pleasantly surprised in that respect when I started back after a break of 30+ years, I found fanciers were happy to gift birds from their best, and give advice on how to work them - and I was expected to work them - one pair bred for me from birds that had taken West section prizes in SNFC the year before - he told me he hated his birds going straight into the stock loft, they'd to be 'tried out'.

 

The downside was that through sheer inexperience I lost most of those YBs during training. So maybe it is no bad thing, starting with a few well bred birds to 'practice' on for a year or two, before deciding what kind of racing you want to compete in, and what type of birds you need for that, and by watching who is getting consistent results, where you can get them from.

[barnsley_pigeonman]

better of out of it still its a dieing sport i hate to say that has i love my pigeons

[pjc]

welcome to the site and hope you do get started again!

Take no notice of the pill poppers, obtain birds from fanciers who don't continualy medicate as they will be healthier and have a better constitution then keep your lofts healthy and you will fly just as well as anybody else!

[Guest spin cycle]

 

You are maybe being a little unfair. Isn't it unrealistic to expect to get birds from anyone 'in the middle of the season' when the fancier probably has his loft set up for racing the program? In my opinion the common-sense time to do it is at the end of the racing season.

 

I was also pleasantly surprised in that respect when I started back after a break of 30+ years, I found fanciers were happy to gift birds from their best, and give advice on how to work them - and I was expected to work them - one pair bred for me from birds that had taken West section prizes in SNFC the year before - he told me he hated his birds going straight into the stock loft, they'd to be 'tried out'. was that through sheer inexperience I lost most of those YBs during training. So maybe it is no bad thing, starting with a few well bred birds to 'practice' on for a yThe downside ear or two, before deciding what kind of racing you want to compete in, and what type of birds you need for that, and by watching who is getting consistent results, where you can get them from.

 

that was my experience also...pjc also right as usual JMO

[Guest Owen]

I have just bought a bird with a tremendous performance record behind it. The Previous Owner told me that he never ever used any form of medication. I isolated the bird and checked it out with my microscope, exactly as I do my own. I found 3 cocci, which is nothing to be bothered about, and nothing else. This bird is probably the cleanest bird I have looked at for ages.

My own birds pick up all the nasties from time to time and I treat them as necessary. I was very surprised to find out that it is possible to keep pigeons, that have mixed with other people's while they were in a race basket, without routine medication.

It just shows, that there are top Fanciers out there who do not find that they need to use any form of medication. In our Club there are now 3 of us who use a microscope regularly, and we all discuss pigeon health together. And I am sure that must be the case in a lot of Clubs. So we do not treat birds blindly any more, as Fanciers have been doing, but we are very aware of pigeon diseases and the treatments that are needed to keep them healthy. I don't think we will ever go back to not treating birds at all, but I am sure that any medication used will be targeted as it should be. The problem lies in the fact that in a very strong Club like ours you will have to be on the ball in order to keep up.

A Fellow joined the Club this year to fly Young Birds. He had bought some very good youngsters and he lived in a favoured area for racing. And to be honest, when I heard that he had been successful racing some years ago, I thought he might prove to be a bit of a handfull. However, when it came to the races, he did not do very well at all. It all ended in tears, because he packed up.

I think that the point is, that pigeon racing in this area can be very difficult to learn because a lot of the local Fanciers are almost up to a professional level. It is not just the birds they race, it is also the methods they use. The one very good thing that has not changed is the fact there is plenty of help for New Starters because the traditional friendliness is still out there. It is just a question of decidind what or who to ask.  

[kirky]

welcome just enjoy your pigeons thats what counts,

[Guest southern and mason]

hi folks  been out of the sport for ten yrs thinking of starting up again but hell what a change the old ways  have gone  me i am a goerdie   and proud of it the old way were the best   :)

 

alreet m8 wer in newcaste u from as i am from newcastle

 

 

[Guest]

you can get all sorts now at the end of a season but you try getting birds in the middle of a season see what happens youll get nowt you can either get latebreds or birds that have done crap and havent been binned ,peoples generosity doesnt extend to giving ther best birds away if your starting up buy descent

I think your being a bit unfair with that statement.  I for one gift dozens throughout the year not just end of season, all of them are top quality birds that would grace any loft whether for racing or for stock, most keep them for stock they are that good, I'm certain I'm not the only one who does either, there are many generous people out there.   Shame on you for saying otherwise.   :'( :B

 

 

[flyingteessider]

does anybody no were i'll get some young birds about 10, 09 rung birds about £15 each I've had a terrible 1st breeding season and don't want to spend too much yet as I'm still experimenting with my system. The birds I bought last year were from all over and all infected by two I bought in from  what can only be described as a bad loft so I never flew last year and this year dropped all my yerlings because of that so about 10 vet bills later here i go again thanks,gary

 

this is the advert i put on here this year in april ,use talk about generosity and giving ,have a look at my replys thers one but not offering anything , Now i have my team of birds after buying them in,I am now giving birds to new members on this site gladly and delivering to them thats how unfair im being

[Guest GRIZZLE GRAHAM]

ONE THING THAT HASN`T CHANGED CLEANER,I STILL BELIEVE YOU GET OUT OF PIGEONS WHAT YOU PUT IN.I WILL BE RACING YOUNG BIRDS NEXT YEAR, AFTER 20YRS OUT OF THE SPORT,BEEN GOING DOWN PIGEON CLUB A LOT MIXING WITH FANCIERS,CHATTING AND WATCHING HOW THEY GO ON WITH NEW TIMING SYSTEMS,DARK SYSTEMS,LIGHT SYSTEMS ETC.AT THE END OF THE DAY LIKE PJC SAYS, ITS GOOD PIGEONS IN GOOD CONDITION ,LOOKED AFTER 365 DAYS A YEAR.

[cleaner]

hi all u  lads  thanks for all your coments and humour  but me i am in no rush for birds  as for medication  use what nature provides  when i was racing years ago we all had soot patches in our gardens and we all knew bout garlic  and tcp   and e few more bits and bobs    i swear by the basket and sending time just watching them bout the loft  i had a red cock bird  that flew his guts out one season  changed his hen the next season did nothing so i put him back with his and he won and won till a f..... hawk got him   i am from benwell but now live in northampton

[Novice]

hi bud thanks  your rite  gone were the days    my bible  was a old book called pigion lore  by a najior nealson      have you read it if not  have o peep    

 

I have read this book years ago.

It is interesting and was written by Major Neilson Hutton.

Most of his experience was with the army pigeon service.

It is doubtful if he won a race.

If you really want to read old articles which are second to none then read the Alf Baker book which I think is called " my methods, My birds" A class fancier who won against thousands of birds.

 

Enjoy your pigeons and above all enjoy the learning curve.

[Guest strapper]

you can get all sorts now at the end of a season but you try getting birds in the middle of a season see what happens youll get nowt you can either get latebreds or birds that have done crap and havent been binned ,peoples generosity doesnt extend to giving ther best birds away if your starting up buy descent

 

when i started back up in 2006 i was given 12 youngsters from a fancier...his top birds...i paid for courrier...the fancier is VERY well known....and i mean for his national results.

these birds are no way crap as they have proved to me, they  know how to race.

good birds dont always come cheap but crap birds can come dear!

[micci]

When i packed up in 1991, I quickly sold all the birds that had pedigree's and good results to match. I was left with two pairs that had bred loads of winners but no one was interested because all they had was a strain name, i gave them away to a local fancier and these went on to breed loads of winners in good competion right out to Lerwick year in, year out...Not all give aways are rubbish

I have a nest pair of 08 late breds to give away, no pedigrees,a cock and a hen. g-dam won 1st and 2nd Lerwick, i have brothers and sisters to them, any takers ?

[boxer]

does anybody no were i'll get some young birds about 10, 09 rung birds about £15 each I've had a terrible 1st breeding season and don't want to spend too much yet as I'm still experimenting with my system. The birds I bought last year were from all over and all infected by two I bought in from  what can only be described as a bad loft so I never flew last year and this year dropped all my yerlings because of that so about 10 vet bills later here i go again thanks,gary

 

this is the advert i put on here this year in april ,use talk about generosity and giving ,have a look at my replys thers one but not offering anything , Now i have my team of birds after buying them in,I am now giving birds to new members on this site gladly and delivering to them thats how unfair im being

 

we have a few l8 breds but most have got last years rings on m8 if any good

[REDROCKET]

you can get all sorts now at the end of a season but you try getting birds in the middle of a season see what happens youll get nowt you can either get latebreds or birds that have done crap and havent been binned ,peoples generosity doesnt extend to giving ther best birds away if your starting up buy descent

 

dont tar everyone with the same brush mr there's a lot of honest guys in this game (i agree there are some balloons)

welcome to the site and back into the sport you new guys atb