Reason For Losses Yb'S

[Tony C]

I don't think it anything to do with mobile phone/TV/radar or airport signals....why? because I would say London and the surrounding area's are the most densely populated in the UK = more mobiles/ TV's/ airports/defence etc. per sq. mile and our losses are nowhere near that of which I'm reading about on this forum.

[frank-123]

I don't think it anything to do with mobile phone/TV/radar or airport signals....why? because I would say London and the surrounding area's are the most densely populated in the UK = more mobiles/ TV's/ airports/defence etc. per sq. mile and our losses are nowhere near that of which I'm reading about on this forum.

 

correct and you dont have as many bop in london either

 

we have watched cornwall,wales,cumbria and the west of scotland being hounded now the bop have spread to find the food source they are moving into areas that have never seen them before

over the last 5 years east of scotland east of england are just as bad as the areas i mentioned above

peregrines nest in cliffs as there natural environment but how many can adapt to church towers, pylons.....etc therefore the flatter lands of the east with a great food source becomes ever more appealing

15-20 years ago your youngbirds would drop as one from training not often nowadays

to me the main problem is still peregrine falcons

[Blue Tooner]

Could it be anything to do with the Geography of the Libsites?? I say this because in my own fed we usually get decent racing with the young birds out to Arniston, south of the Firth of Forth, whatever Libsite we go to south of Arniston usually ends up in a disaster for youngbirds, we have tried Whitley Bay, Hexham, Ridsdale, Alnwick and Consett, all with many losses. I personally think because of the hills all around this area of the U.K. the youngbirds panic on release unless the conditions are perfect for them to take their line and stick to it. When you add B.O.P., unsettled weather patterns and the many libs taking place around the same times you can imagine the amount of petrified, stressed out youngbirds flying around those areas on race day. Over the last 6 or 7 seasons I personally have lost 10-15 youngbirds every year frome the above racepoints. Any that I do get reported are usually found not too far from the lib site (10-20miles approx.)totally flown out. The big question is what can be done :unsure:

[Walter swanston]

There is no doubt, no doubt at all the main reason for young bird losses in August each year in the Solway is the presence of large numbers of Peregrine Falcons in Cumbria which has the unenviable reputation of having the highest density of these predators in Northern Europe.

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Just to add to that Gareth, Austin from the Scottish Border Fed brought up 3 crates for me and there were many Fife and Lanarkshire birds involved so it is proof for me that that's where they went or at least many of of them.

[THE FIFER]

some different views/ polls, cheers keep them coming, very interesting,

[sapper756]

Just to add to that Gareth, Austin from the Scottish Border Fed brought up 3 crates for me and there were many Fife and Lanarkshire birds involved so it is proof for me that that's where they went or at least many of of them.

 

 

any chance of posting the ring numbers Davy, so us Fifers and the Lanarkshire lads can have a lookhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

[Guest 67ghirl]

Just to add to that Gareth, Austin from the Scottish Border Fed brought up 3 crates for me and there were many Fife and Lanarkshire birds involved so it is proof for me that that's where they went or at least many of of them.

 

 

Scottish Borders Fed seem to have loads of young birds for the Stray Centre every year - as one of the Convoyers found out last year when he dropped in to collect them - considering there are only around 40 members covering Galashiels, St Boswells, Earlston, Kelso and surrounding area.

As I said in another thread there were 4 out of 5 lib sites used within this area on Saturday.

Angela.

 

 

 

[steve2511]

the losses are all over the uk, my thoughts are heading towards young bird sickness being part of the reason. i believe that there are different levels of y.b.s. some being quite mild, so much so that the fancier does'nt even realise that his y/b's have it. i also believe that the recovery period is a lot longer than most fanciers think. i have heard fanciers saying that their birds were back in the basket after 4 = 7 days, and then they wonder why they have lost most of their team! i recently had y.b.s. with my later team of y/b's and went to a pigeon vet (graham smith from usk) the birds were then treated, but after 3 wks they are still not back to the condition that they were in prior to having it, though they are getting there.

[gulkie]

if the birds have lost their homing ability for some reason or another,

why does it only effect some of them and others make it home week after

week . Surely if your birds look good, eat well, train well,they are well

and if not they shouldn't be in a basket.

[nogin]

william my son, you know as well as me there are members in every club who dont know what ybs is....even if a skitery sh1t3 hit them on the face.

[gulkie]

So true Gordon.

[Guest shadow]

breeding rubbish and propping up sick birds who rarely go on to do much good :angry:

[Guest spin cycle]

IMO the reason is US. every year since i've been a fancier (2005) we've talked about yb losses....yet we keep breeding and trying...once we we know why we do this we will be a step closer to finding an answer.

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Does anyone think that most of the feds can fly north road for a year and see if anything changes then fly them South the following year as old birds

[THE FIFER]

Does anyone think that most of the feds can fly north road for a year and see if anything changes then fly them South the following year as old birds

 

think this could be the problem we are having, some flying North others flying South, clashing

[Guest Davy Fleming]

No disagreeing Archie, but was thinking along the lines of getting them educated where there may be much less BOP

[Wiley]

one reason, for losses is the fanciers themselves. How many times have you heard a fancier say, I've only sent half as the rest have young bird sickness, come the race they have had few and far return wise, and very far down the sheet. Yet they keep sending them. Then at the end of the season they moan that they do not have enough ybs to put over as yearlings.

[JADE]

Could it be anything to do with the Geography of the Libsites?? I say this because in my own fed we usually get decent racing with the young birds out to Arniston, south of the Firth of Forth, whatever Libsite we go to south of Arniston usually ends up in a disaster for youngbirds, we have tried Whitley Bay, Hexham, Ridsdale, Alnwick and Consett, all with many losses. I personally think because of the hills all around this area of the U.K. the youngbirds panic on release unless the conditions are perfect for them to take their line and stick to it. When you add B.O.P., unsettled weather patterns and the many libs taking place around the same times you can imagine the amount of petrified, stressed out youngbirds flying around those areas on race day. Over the last 6 or 7 seasons I personally have lost 10-15 youngbirds every year frome the above racepoints. Any that I do get reported are usually found not too far from the lib site (10-20miles approx.)totally flown out. The big question is what can be done :unsure:

 

the problem, is once you go south of the forth you encounter other feds going in different directions and once dragged off line many seem unable to get back on course. dont know why unless they are no good in the first place

[Guest pigeon82]

no one can tell anything except bird unless you see wat happens with ur own eyes so i beleive in my opinion there can not be a vote really only pigeon knows wat happened

[JohnQuinn]

In order to find the truth about the cause of losses we would need to have the races monitored from the moment the strings are cut, it would need to be a plane or some unmanned aircraft that could get well above the lib site at, then follow the batch until tragedy strikes it. Unless we can categorically identify what causes the batches to split up we will NEVER be able to find an answer to our questions.

 

I believe the military have these types of aircraft, do you's think they would do it free for services rendered during the wars??

[THE FIFER]

No disagreeing Archie, but was thinking along the lines of getting them educated where there may be much less BOP

 

 

yes agree m8 and could work if all organisations worked together regarding North and South libs,

[Guest Davy Fleming]

John, I posted the same idea somewhere last week. That is exactly the way and only way to do it . You can get a few microlites with cameras and see what happens. I would be prepared to pay for this service as think this is the only way forward. We have spoken for weeks , months, years and what have we really done. NOWT. Maybe we should enquire regarding this matter

[JohnQuinn]

John, I posted the same idea somewhere last week. That is exactly the way and only way to do it . You can get a few microlites with cameras and see what happens. I would be prepared to pay for this service as think this is the only way forward. We have spoken for weeks , months, years and what have we really done. NOWT. Maybe we should enquire regarding this matter

 

I think a lot of us would chip in to pay for it, its the only way i can see us finding out what's going on for sure

[budgie]

Firstly were the youngsters ready for the jump as i know in our club the birdage doubled.My main concearn is the fact that many birds brought for race marking are not in good health,and often should not be accepted for entry.We dont have basket controllers as such to give advice on medication and try and help their birds problems.Birds that are not ranging freely then put into races without schooling only hold the others back.Medicine for some will cure them but not keep them clear of illness and in most instances better husbandry and care will.In our Fed we have 3 races to go and the basket controllers might be a positive step to prevent many health matters which in this day are very prevalent.