harky Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Has anybody tried this and if so did you notice any difference in your pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Has anybody tried this and if so did you notice any difference in your pigeons. what difference is it meant to make ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCHEQHEN Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 There's a few on here who use bleach in the water - that's alkaline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harky Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 what difference is it meant to make ?Dnt know thats what im trying to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Tony Marden use to write about adding lime to the water as a prevention for YBS.Lime would make the water alkaline.Using alkaline water is against the theory that we should give the birds cider vinegar as this makes the gut acidic which the good bacteria are supposed to favour. My own view is that all bacteria like stable conditions so moving the pH in any direction should affect them. Hope this helped not much time as we have a young bird race on at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harky Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Tony Marden use to write about adding lime to the water as a prevention for YBS.Lime would make the water alkaline.Using alkaline water is against the theory that we should give the birds cider vinegar as this makes the gut acidic which the good bacteria are supposed to favour. My own view is that all bacteria like stable conditions so moving the pH in any direction should affect them. Hope this helped not much time as we have a young bird race on at the moment.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harky Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Alkaline water is supposed to be better for you they reckon it helps neutralise acids from your body and helps get rid of toxinsThats what i would like to know, think it would be safe to give to the doos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 what difference is it meant to make ? so that makes you clueless on the subject then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harky Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Sammy you know what hes like now, hes too tired to think with him being Gonga now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Sammy you know what hes like now, hes too tired to think with him being Gonga now GONGA clueless got a ring to it has it not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harky Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 GONGA clueless got a ring to it has it not Hes want to try some himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Hes want to try some himself think he tried a lot of things and they never done him any good :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harky Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 think he tried a lot of things and they never done him any good :D Yep heard that masel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Yep heard that masel heard the doc put him on them wee blue tablets and now he thinks he is a hard man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Tony Marden use to write about adding lime to the water as a prevention for YBS.Lime would make the water alkaline.Using alkaline water is against the theory that we should give the birds cider vinegar as this makes the gut acidic which the good bacteria are supposed to favour. My own view is that all bacteria like stable conditions so moving the pH in any direction should affect them. Hope this helped not much time as we have a young bird race on at the moment. It is hard to see what pH affect either alkaline water or cider vinegar would have on the gut. All guts have 2 things, (1) a stomach that secretes acid and creates the most acidic environment possible, around pH1; and (2) a liver / gall bladder that secretes bile into the small intestine. Bile is an alkali, that just about neutralises the highly acidic stuff fresh from the stomach, and raises the pH level from highly acidic to slightly acidic. I think cider vinegar will acidify the crop, but will be neutralised in the intestine; alkaline water will be neutralised in the stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harky Posted July 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 It is hard to see what pH affect either alkaline water or cider vinegar would have on the gut. All guts have 2 things, (1) a stomach that secretes acid and creates the most acidic environment possible, around pH1; and (2) a liver / gall bladder that secretes bile into the small intestine. Bile is an alkali, that just about neutralises the highly acidic stuff fresh from the stomach, and raises the pH level from highly acidic to slightly acidic. I think cider vinegar will acidify the crop, but will be neutralised in the intestine; alkaline water will be neutralised in the stomach.So what do you think would benefit them better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 So what do you think would benefit them better There's a lot on the web debunking alkaline water. I use cider vinegar already and it works for me, so will stick with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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