Roland Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 If they don't / can't home they certainly won't race! However That is just part and partial of a 'Complete Whole' which endeavours to become a Healthy Fit conditioned bird. Many parts needed to make the 'Whole' and if one loses, or is way behind, then quite frankly his / her birds hadn't achieved the 'Whole' eeded to be sucessful... but getting home is just part of it. No one ever loses fit and conditioned birds, except via Raptures or actsof God... Waves when flying into a head wind for instance, crossing the motorway etc. Other than that the fancier's bird just say 'Stuff You' I'm off' and that then is that. Nothing whatsoever to do with the way it is trained or raced. Biggest myth I've ever heard was that the South Rd. is / was harder than the North... another load of ole cods wallop. There that is why some struggle when they turn their birds ... they just aren't good enough and can't hack it lol!
peterpau Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Gotta agree Roland ours have been Perth 13th sec and then Bordeaux 8th sec. 7 from 8 out of Perth never trained North and flew Wincanton Newton Abbott, Yelverton then into Perth.
Mike Lycett Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Were they educated North South etc from the year of their birth or switched as mature pigeons (2/3 year old) ?
peterpau Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Any way the Rugby Cement lorry they went on was going 40/60mls would be the target any direction North west, South east, or South west but we have another plant near S*expletive removed*horpe so that is the only way they don't go. Trained this way as babbies, but only raced south rd till 2 year olds
Mike Lycett Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 If they're educated from birth then it's not un-natural for them. I still believe you move hard-core racers from one route and swing em & expect em to RACE and race properly like 2-3 weeks like the MNFC did in 2001 then there'll be massive losses. Some will do it - of course they will. Most don't.
Roland Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Great... Mike I still believe that too many get sucked into myths of Pigeons as Human terms, and logics. They are born with a 'Homing Instinc' that means that if hieghten by sending then away from their loft it is sharpen possiblely. They want to get back forany rreason... ok they may become more focus. All senses are heightened when they become fully fit and conditioned... Health full stop. You like the rest of us have sent birds and they take yonks after they have been 20 time in the previous month etc. etc. They don't know North from South any more than fly in the air. Their homing abilty is hiegtened, that is why they mostly react and home faster if trained from the opposite direction the week prior to a race! Why good birds are sent in all directions to hone in their senses. The only reason in reality to trai pgeons is to Condition them.... Get milage under their wings. Breaking points like is another myth, just never happens or helps... except makes the fancier feel he is helping. So what's it matter if one feels the see a lake and turn left... they are getting conditioned, race fit. When a pigeon is so called racing they are locked in on where they are going and only see anything at the last possible moment, like hegdes, trees etc. Certainly aren't looking around at the scenary and thet's fer sure.
Roland Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 And again Educated from birth... another myh. They have a strong sense to get back to their nest box right off, and if put into an adjacent appartment, they scambel back... naturally. and they they go further a field to the garden etc. and then back. Feed is to form a habit and trap only. They normally like to be in the loft by night fall... then they range, that's it, they have, or haven't completed their homing devices and from there on they home. Gary Edmunds never trained, like Hawkes, and often me etc. more than 20 miles. But they are and do race just the same. From any direction. Bill Bririgs another, a lorry driver, any way 20 miles any weather. The Shipley brothers, North roades, any direction 20 miles.... Flew the Rome race well... well trial and test, and with Bussearts.
Roland Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Fine, Mike that is what makes this sport what it, and I agree to differ will you Mike.
Mike Lycett Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Cool I guess we'll both sleep tonight
blackjack Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 I train my birds from any direction n,s,e or w from young birds i cannot afford to train line of flight and the same for old ones and i do not lose as many as the chaps who tram line .My birds are good old english birds which like it hard look at Marley Westrop and Des Coulter too name just two . It tend to be the sprinters who lose the most because they rarely go over 300mls and they MUST have line of flight. On Mr Vandenabeele he is a super flyer and breeder over many years although i do not have his birds .
Roland Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Bloackjack like the sound of your birds and training. Likewise here.
Roland Posted October 1, 2006 Report Posted October 1, 2006 Bob Cooper was a great ole character, and when he found they had put the wrong name on the Feds ‘Gold Cup’ he laughed and said that that fancier needed all the help he could get. When told that they would erase and put his name on he said ‘What a ruin a good cup … nah everyone knows I won it this year, and when they don’t remember then it won’t matter to them any roads, and certainly not me. His training went around the market town he lived, for folks would tell him if any one was taking a trip… and he’d just turn up and say ‘Morning, heard you was going … yer won’t mind dropping me birds of when you get there…’ and that was his training. Once one folks says to him like that they wouldn’t have room… so he helped them to decide what of their stuff to leave out, and when they protested that would mean another trip tomorrow – implying that it wasn’t suitable to them – he just smiled and said ‘Good… they could do with an extra chuck’! lol Was at a club meeting with him when they started going on about pettiness for yonks as they often do to try and be / feel important…. So no more a door he strikes up a tune on the ole piano in the room, and he starts singing like, so I stands up and joins in… Well one or two were a mite offended, thought it was my voice for starters, but knew that was possible like… so must have been that he’d spoilt they there moment of pious self impotence. When the complained he said, ‘You carry on talking twaddle, spouting silly ole clap trap… when done and you lot wanna git down to sensible things, then we join in, until then I might as well enjoy my ole twaddle on here…. Some man him, sorely missed, and never heard of line traing. But hard and difficult days his was the birfds to beat.!
markbrown Posted October 5, 2006 Report Posted October 5, 2006 We got our initial Gaby's via PJ Lofts - Fantastic...... Some good winners (big hearts) and consistant with it.. This year Cheq cock "33" topped club, fed, combine from Mangotsfield 136 miles and then we sent him out to Fougeres 360miles 1st club, fed, combine and 2nd in the big three counties combine 3943birds If anyone looking at trying a new family for 2007, would seriously recommend they consider the Gabys.. Just looking out now in the sales for a couple of hens to cross in (looking at lot 16 in the rpra sale??) anyone any knowledge
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