lanarkshire fed members

[HOMER49]

UNLESS I CANNAE READ THE QUOTE THAT GARETH HAS SENT ME  IT WORKS OUT AT 223 ,000 EUROS FOR TWO UNITS AND EVERYTHINGTO GO WITH THEM PLUS A TRAILER TO TAKE 2,000 MORE AND I DON'T KNOW THE CORRECT LENGTH A TRAILER SHOULD BE IN THE UK I THINK IT IS 40 FEET AND HOW WOULD THIS GO WITH AN ADDITIONAL TRAILER HOOKED ON, WOULD THIS TAKE IT OVER A LEGAL LIMIT OR DOES THAT COUNT SEPERATE BUT THE ABOVE PRICE IS FOR SECONDHAND UNITS AND STILL NEED TO ADD ON VAT QUITE A TIDY SUM. I KNOW SOME CLEVER PERSON WILL CONVERT THE EUROS TO POUNDS AND THEN ADD ON THE VAT FOR ME AND THEN PUT UP THE PRICE [i HOPE]

Hi Tammy,

223000euros at official bank rate of 148 is    150675.67uk pounds

Lans fed IS VAT registered   we get VAT back

Cheers

Homer 49

 

[HOMER49]

Hi Tammy back again

Have you heard about the lottery grant is it true that you can apply again after

12 calander months for another grant ?

HOMER 49

[frank-123]

homer 49

see you advised the race controller on the scotch corner race what website did you check for the weather on the 5th of august

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Hi Tammy back again

Have you heard about the lottery grant is it true that you can apply again after

12 calander months for another grant ?

HOMER 49

 

i got the grant for our club nearly a year agoand you can apply for another one after a year but it must have nothing to do with what you claimed for the previous year

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Hi Tammy,

223000euros at official bank rate of 148 is    150675.67uk pounds

Lans fed IS VAT registered   we get VAT back

Cheers

Homer 49

 

i asked for a clever person no you ,because i have to point out you are wrong because the actual conversion rate as of today brings the sum out to £149,782.24p i just kid on i'm stupid

[Guest]

Hi Tammy,

 

The North West Fed raised funds for a replacement transporter by levvying £20 per member over a number of years. I think your members may find £100 a bit steep. Some of ours found £20 steep!!!

 

Remember that the vehicle is an asset and not a liability. It can be hired out to other organisations when Lanarkshire isn't using it. This will help cover your insurance, tax and other overheads. And think positive! It'll cost more in 2008 than it will in 2007. You may find that the cost increases faster than your members levvy does..

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Hi Homer 49 (Alec)

 

Yes your are correct about BMW what should have been put down was MAN, i believe the truck is just what you say with Double Bunks i take this is what is known as a 17 t truck Homer 49.??

It is optional for the members to get a second hand truck and save money. ?? And the price of a brand new Merc is 45,000 Euros + vat or 40,000 Euros + vat for a "MAN"

 

I think i am right in saying that when you are using the truck without the Trailer you need someone with a class 2 or if the trailer is getting used you need a driver with a class 1.

With regards to paying for it i would agree with Bruno, Bank loan over 4 to 5 years with a levy of ?20 = (8-9 pints of beer) plus a lot of fund rasing.

 

The birdage in the fed has dropped a little bit in the last couple of years so if we put a limit on the the amount the members can send ( nothing to drastic e.g 50 or 60 limit )??? to 3 old bird races and 3 young bird races this would then save on the cost of the trailer at 31,000 euros. ??

GARETH

Also funds might be helped by not having to use a haulage company to take us down the road.

 

[frank-123]

hi gareth

dont you think if we bought our own unit and trailer the unit could be hired out as we only use it say fifty days a year

quite a lot of rental there could make some money for the fed

[sj irving jnr]

yes gareth

   your right about trying to avoid the haulage company we have used one for years as you know to pull out trailer and it costs us a fortune,as well as the company servicing our trailer(which has cost us approx 800 pounds per year).

   the solway fed is also looking at purchasing a new transporter and trying to cut out the haulage company.but thanks goes out to g grant for letting us use his mini transporter for the last 3 old and 3 yb races.

[THE FIFER]

the lottery grant is now up to £10,000 now and not £5000,

[Guest TAMMY_1]

homer 49

see you advised the race controller on the scotch corner race what website did you check for the weather on the 5th of august

 

WHO TOLD YOU THIS HOMER IT WAS ANDY EADIE THAT ADVISED DURNING UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT ?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Hi Tammy,

 

The North West Fed raised funds for a replacement transporter by levvying £20 per member over a number of years. I think your members may find £100 a bit steep. Some of ours found £20 steep!!!

 

Remember that the vehicle is an asset and not a liability. It can be hired out to other organisations when Lanarkshire isn't using it. This will help cover your insurance, tax and other overheads. And think positive! It'll cost more in 2008 than it will in 2007. You may find that the cost increases faster than your members levvy does..

AM THINKING POSITIVE BUT REALISTIC  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND I DONT CARE WHAT ANYBODY COMES ON AND SAYS WE WONT HAVE A NEW LORRY SOON

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Hi Homer 49 (Alec)

 

Yes your are correct about BMW what should have been put down was MAN, i believe the truck is just what you say with Double Bunks i take this is what is known as a 17 t truck Homer 49.??

It is optional for the members to get a second hand truck and save money. ?? And the price of a brand new Merc is 45,000 Euros + vat or 40,000 Euros + vat for a "MAN"

 

I think i am right in saying that when you are using the truck without the Trailer you need someone with a class 2 or if the trailer is getting used you need a driver with a class 1.

With regards to paying for it i would agree with Bruno, Bank loan over 4 to 5 years with a levy of ?20 = (8-9 pints of beer) plus a lot of fund rasing.

 

The birdage in the fed has dropped a little bit in the last couple of years so if we put a limit on the the amount the members can send ( nothing to drastic e.g 50 or 60 limit )??? to 3 old bird races and 3 young bird races this would then save on the cost of the trailer at 31,000 euros. ??

GARETH

Also funds might be helped by not having to use a haulage company to take us down the road.

 

DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU TRY AND DRESS IT UP WE STILL NEED £140,000 AND WE WILL NEVER GET THAT  UNLESS OTHER FEDS JOINED IN BUYING IT  AND THAT WONT HAPPEN EITHER

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Hello Tammy

 

Think positive aim high and it would surprise you what can be achieved to get what is required for the benefit of the pigeons and the fancier,s. :) :) smile smile smile

[ALF]

I DONT THINK IT WILL BE EASY BUT I DO THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO TRY AND GET A NEW TRANSPORTER AND NEW BASKETS.WHATS THE POINT IN THE FED THROWING AWAY GOOD MONEY EVERY YEAR ON NEW WICKER BASKETS THAT WE PROBABLY WONT BE ABLE TO USE ANYWAY IN A COUPLE OF YEARS TIME???SURELY THIS MONEY WOULD BE BETTER SPENT USING IT TOWARDS ANOTHER TRANSPORTER WHETHER IT BE NEW OR NEARLY NEW???

[frank-123]

 

WHO TOLD YOU THIS HOMER IT WAS ANDY EADIE THAT ADVISED DURNING UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT ?

 

hi tammy

 

scotch corner 05/08/06

 

times approximate

6.25 misty home end forecast to clear about 10.00

 

6.30 phoned j lennon(convoyer)misty at race point will clear

 

6.45 phoned r graham good at northallerton he is going to wait till the local birds get home he will phone back let me know what's happening local birds at whitley bay should take about two hours to get home

 

7.05 r graham phoned local birds are now waiting for the unc to be liberated and home before they go  pentland fed now going at 7.10 unc going between 10-12

 

7.15 a eadie(assistant controller) phoned with computer forecast north east england to be misty early to clear no rain forecast, rain forecast to come into home end by the afternoon

7.25 phoned j lennon (convoyer) told him to look for the pentland birds going over about 7.30 scotch corner getting better

7.45 phoned w gass misty at otterburn should clear computer forecast rain in the afternooon

7.55  phoned r graham pentland birds away and clear 7.10 cleared well

 

8.00 phoned i henderson (fed sec)put him in the picture

 

8.10 phoned r frame newmains area misty clearing  computer forecast shows no rain in the north east of england weather to close down at the home end early afternoon

 

8.20 a blyth carluke(homer49) area dull and overcast no mist

computer no problem till the afternoon at the home end

 

8.30

phoned g macaloney hills in the south begining to clear sky getting brighter

 

8.35

j lennon he has seen some birds heading north but they were very high now clear at race point give them another hour

 

8.45  s gibson phoned they are at coldstream and the weather there is good

 

8.50 phoned i henderson (fed sec) told him we should get away about 9.30

 

9.00 phoned w gass otterburn clearning nicely we should be ok there

 

9.05 phoned j lennon(convoyer) scotch corner clear told him to go at 9.30

 

9.15 phoned m rennie at kelso no problems at kelso hills all clear mist all away

 

9.25 phoned r strong at hexham heavy mist and some drizzle in the area not to good he thinks we should wait till the afternoon before liberating

 

9.35 phoned j lennon(convoyer) birds away at 9.30 south west wind went high heading north

 

9.40 phoned fed sec i henderson told him birds away at 9.30

 

9.50 phoned w gass told him we were away at 9.30 otterburn good they are going at 10.30

 

11.00 phoned j lennon he was 12 mls from penrith he had some mist at brough for about 1 mile the rest of the road was clear he could see for miles

 

note pentland fed, lanarkshire fed east of scotland fed midlothian with some of the experienced race controllers in scotland all liberated on that day in the same area and all got the same results very bad

 

on sunday lanarkshire birds were reportedin dundee montrose hiull selby leicester northamptonand many others only god knows why

 

 

this was a report on the scotch corner race the 5th aug 2006 for lanarkshire federation that seen a convoy of 8000 birds liberated

this letter doing the rounds of lanarkshire has not been signed

i guess it is the controllers report

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Yes regarding the haulage company, over the 16 races in 2005 not including Maidstone and Lille it costs an average of £600 a race to get convoyed which includes the driver and the unit, out this sum also comes approx £200 to £250 on average for each race for the fuel, leaving a sum of £350 to £400 per race going to the convoyer, also worth noting in the cost Lanarkshire had approx 8 races were we had 2 units down the road to the racepoints. I do Realise that there is the maintence of the new Vechicles but i am sure it would not be any were near £9000 to £10,000 that we pay to the convoyer at the moment which includes the fuel costs.

Yes it is a possibilitie that one vechicle could be leased out to another org but you are then hoping it would be well looked after.

Alf

Yes when it comes to the repair of the baskets it has been costing us £2000 for the last few years which i find quite amazing.

The above sums are approx from figures on the balance sheet so if i have got the break down of the costs wrong i apologize.

[ALF]

I THINK IT IS BEGINNING TO LOOK AS IF ALL WE NEED IS A NEW TRANSPORTER AND ALL OUR WORRIES WILL BE OVER BUT I'M AFRAID WE HAVE A LOT MORE PROBLEMS THAN JUST GETTING A NEW TRANSPORTER TO SORT OUT!!!

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

hi tammy

 

scotch corner 05/08/06

 

times approximate

6.25 misty home end forecast to clear about 10.00

 

6.30 phoned j lennon(convoyer)misty at race point will clear

 

6.45 phoned r graham good at northallerton he is going to wait till the local birds get home he will phone back let me know what's happening local birds at whitley bay should take about two hours to get home

 

7.05 r graham phoned local birds are now waiting for the unc to be liberated and home before they go  pentland fed now going at 7.10 unc going between 10-12

 

7.15 a eadie(assistant controller) phoned with computer forecast north east england to be misty early to clear no rain forecast, rain forecast to come into home end by the afternoon

7.25 phoned j lennon (convoyer) told him to look for the pentland birds going over about 7.30 scotch corner getting better

7.45 phoned w gass misty at otterburn should clear computer forecast rain in the afternooon

7.55  phoned r graham pentland birds away and clear 7.10 cleared well

 

8.00 phoned i henderson (fed sec)put him in the picture

 

8.10 phoned r frame newmains area misty clearing  computer forecast shows no rain in the north east of england weather to close down at the home end early afternoon

 

8.20 a blyth carluke(homer49) area dull and overcast no mist

computer no problem till the afternoon at the home end

 

8.30

phoned g macaloney hills in the south begining to clear sky getting brighter

 

8.35

j lennon he has seen some birds heading north but they were very high now clear at race point give them another hour

 

8.45  s gibson phoned they are at coldstream and the weather there is good

 

8.50 phoned i henderson (fed sec) told him we should get away about 9.30

 

9.00 phoned w gass otterburn clearning nicely we should be ok there

 

9.05 phoned j lennon(convoyer) scotch corner clear told him to go at 9.30

 

9.15 phoned m rennie at kelso no problems at kelso hills all clear mist all away

 

9.25 phoned r strong at hexham heavy mist and some drizzle in the area not to good he thinks we should wait till the afternoon before liberating

 

9.35 phoned j lennon(convoyer) birds away at 9.30 south west wind went high heading north

 

9.40 phoned fed sec i henderson told him birds away at 9.30

 

9.50 phoned w gass told him we were away at 9.30 otterburn good they are going at 10.30

 

11.00 phoned j lennon he was 12 mls from penrith he had some mist at brough for about 1 mile the rest of the road was clear he could see for miles

 

note pentland fed, lanarkshire fed east of scotland fed midlothian with some of the experienced race controllers in scotland all liberated on that day in the same area and all got the same results very bad

 

on sunday lanarkshire birds were reportedin dundee montrose hiull selby leicester northamptonand many others only god knows why

 

 

this was a report on the scotch corner race the 5th aug 2006 for lanarkshire federation that seen a convoy of 8000 birds liberated

this letter doing the rounds of lanarkshire has not been signed

i guess it is the controllers report

I SAW THIS BART THIS WAS THE DOCUMENT ANDY DURNING HANDED TO ME AS SOON AS I WALKED IN THE DOOR AT THE DELEGATES HEARING ALONG WITHA SMALL BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO SOMEBODY DOWNLOADED OFF THE COMPUTER FOR HIM SAYING THE WEATHER WAS CLEAR AND THEY WERE MEANT TO BE OFF THE MET OFFICE SITE BUT I LOOK AT THIS SITE EVERYRACE DAY AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE ON IT DID YOU NO GET THAT ONE BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH STAPLED TOGETHER SO WHOEVER GAVE YOU THIS ONE SHOULD HAVE GAVE YOU THE HUNNER YEAR OLD ONE ALONG WITH IT THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THIS DOCUMENT IS WHERE YOU HAVE CHANGED ALEX BLYTH TO HOMER49 AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE BECAUSE AS MUCH AS I CANT STAND HIM I WOULD NOT HAVE PUT HIS NAME ON THE FORUM  EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ME THAT TOLD PEOPLE HIS NAME AND GARETH HAS USED HIS NAME AS WELL I WOULD NEVER HAVE PUT ANYBODYS NAME ON UNLESS THEY SAID IT WAS OKAY AND DONT THINK FOR A MINUTE I AM TRYING TO STAND UP FOR HIM BECAUSE I DETEST HIM FOR THE FACT HE HAD PLENTY TO SAY ABOUT ME ON THE FORUM AND HE CALLED ME A LIAR ON THE FORUM WHEN THAT WAS NOT TRUE HE IS STILL A RAT BUT  EVEN RATS THAT WANTS TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS HAVE THAT RIGHT

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I THINK IT IS BEGINNING TO LOOK AS IF ALL WE NEED IS A NEW TRANSPORTER AND ALL OUR WORRIES WILL BE OVER BUT I'M AFRAID WE HAVE A LOT MORE PROBLEMS THAN JUST GETTING A NEW TRANSPORTER TO SORT OUT!!!

 

COMMON SENSE PREVAILS HERE AGAIN [DUNNO HOW YOU MANAGED IT THOUGH] THERE ARE A LOT MORE THINGS NEEDING FIXED BEFORE WE GET A TRANSPORTER . DOES SOMEBODY WRITE YOUR POSTS FOR YOU ALF BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO SENSIBLE FOR YOU

[frank-123]

hi tammy

i asked the guy a question i just wanted to make sure it was the same person no big deal i thought but if he wants his name removed he can pm me and i will ask the webmaster to take his name out

 

just thought it may be good for members to see this report as they may want to question the controller at the agm

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

hi tammy

i asked the guy a question i just wanted to make sure it was the same person no big deal i thought but if he wants his name removed he can pm me and i will ask the webmaster to take his name out

 

just thought it may be good for members to see this report as they may want to question the controller at the agm

 

 

ALL THE DELEGATES WERE GIVEN THIS BY A DURNING AS SOON AS THEY WALKED IN THE DOOR AT THAT MEETING AND I THINK MOST CLUBS WILL HAVE SEEN IT DID YOU GET THE ACCOMPANYING SHEET WITH THE WEATHER FORECASTS I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, I THOUGHT BLACK AND WHITE PICTURES FOR WEATHER WENT OUT A WHILE AGO AND YOU WOULD NEED YOUR MAGNIFYING GLASS TO SEE THEM

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

.25 phoned r strong at hexham heavy mist and some drizzle in the area not to good he thinks we should wait till the afternoon before liberating

THIS PART OF THAT DOCUMENT REALLY SUPPORTS WHAT I SAID ALL ALONG ABOUT BEING TOLD TO KEEP THE BIRDS, IF YOU PHONE SOMEBODY ON YOUR ROUTE AND THEY SAY THE WEATHER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO LIBERATE TILL THE AFTERNOON YOU DONT IGNORE IT AND LET THE BIRDS UP AT 9-30 OR WHAT IS THE POINT OF CONTACTING MEN ON ROUTE BE AS WELL DOING SCISSORS PAPER STONE AND SEE WHO WINS,  CONTROLLER  RAIN  OR TAKE A CHANCE, ONE OF THE MEN AT THE HEARING ASKED A DURNING IF THE WEATHER WAS SUNNY TO LET THE BIRDS GO AND HE SAID NO BUT THERE WERE THE UNC BIRDS SITTING AT BUBWITH WHAT WAS I MEANT TO DO . .IS THAT NO SOME STATEMENT

[HOMER49]

Hi Homer 49 (Alec)

 

Yes your are correct about BMW what should have been put down was MAN, i believe the truck is just what you say with Double Bunks i take this is what is known as a 17 t truck Homer 49.??

It is optional for the members to get a second hand truck and save money. ?? And the price of a brand new Merc is 45,000 Euros + vat or 40,000 Euros + vat for a "MAN"

 

I think i am right in saying that when you are using the truck without the Trailer you need someone with a class 2 or if the trailer is getting used you need a driver with a class 1.

With regards to paying for it i would agree with Bruno, Bank loan over 4 to 5 years with a levy of ?20 = (8-9 pints of beer) plus a lot of fund rasing.

 

The birdage in the fed has dropped a little bit in the last couple of years so if we put a limit on the the amount the members can send ( nothing to drastic e.g 50 or 60 limit )??? to 3 old bird races and 3 young bird races this would then save on the cost of the trailer at 31,000 euros. ??

GARETH

Also funds might be helped by not having to use a haulage company to take us down the road.

 

Hi Gareth,

Went to Western Commercials today Spoke to David Clark (Truck Sales Executive)

email david.clark@mercedes.co.uk

I was wrong in one point the Atego has been replaced by the AXOR

Have a written quote for

1 AXOR 1824 4X2 RIGID TRUCK

WHEELBASE    6.300M

18000KG   TRUCKS ARE 18TONNES BUT YOU CAN DOWNRATE TO 17TONNES

BY CHANGING THE 4 REAR TYRES FROM 295/80R X 22.5 TO 1100 X 22.5

DOING THIS SAVES ROAD FUND LINCEINCE

David Clark could only quote for a DAY CAB as a hi top has to be from the factory

A day cab has no beds

THE COST     41890.00UK POUNDS OR 61997EUROS

A hi top fitted out with 2 bunks his estimate would be 3000uk pounds EXTRA

These trucks can be bought for about 10 to 12k for 4/5 years old

check out auto trader web site select trucks in top address bar

Only requires class 2 to drive rigid with draw bar trailer

class 1  is for artics

DO REMENBER THE NEW 50 HOUR RULE

AND IN INTRODUCTION OF DIGITAL TACO'S

When I was last at DONCASTER truck sales I saw a Renault 18t with draw bar trailer

go through the auction T plate for 6k and it looked nice

Not trying to be negitive or aggressive Tammys enough

HOMER49

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Not trying to be negitive or aggressive Tammys enough

HOMER49

WHAT IS THIS INTENDED TO MEAN CLOWN