electronic timing...fair or an advantage?

[Guest]

wots ur thoughts on this system?..do u consider it a fair system for clocking or do u think theres an advantage over the conventional stb/t3 clocks?....paul

[Guest jason]

Neither really, I feel it will take all the fun out of the sport, how many times have you heard of rubbers being dropped lol. with ETS the bird will return, go through the trap, and its all over to me this is boring, I think its much more fun to remove rubbers, your in such a rush to time them in, the addrenalin rush is great.

 

just my oppinion

 

Jason

[stevebelbin]

Its an old age question, been discussed millions of time. It will evetually be brought in to play, its just a matter of time. It doesnt make the birds fly any faster so cant see why it could be classed as unfair. There has been races when I have been stuck at work and the UNC have liberated with no consideration of the working fanciers etc, and with ets it would have made it possible for me to see when the birds arrived instead of just leaving the traps open. Id be better of in pigeon racing if I didnt work as far as I can see LOL LOL LOL

[THE FIFER]

Neither really, I feel it will take all the fun out of the sport, how many times have you heard of rubbers being dropped lol. with ETS the bird will return, go through the trap, and its all over to me this is boring, I think its much more fun to remove rubbers, your in such a rush to time them in, the addrenalin rush is great.

 

just my oppinion

 

Jason

 

u can still keep the fun Jason, u use ur antina like a clock, place it anywhere catch ur bird but instead of having to take a rubber off u just scan the birds foot over ur antina. if thats what u want, or u can still use ur old clocks its ur chioce.

 

 

[Guest]

Its an old age question, been discussed millions of time. It will evetually be brought in to play, its just a matter of time. It doesnt make the birds fly any faster so cant see why it could be classed as unfair. There has been races when I have been stuck at work and the UNC have liberated with no consideration of the working fanciers etc, and with ets it would have made it possible for me to see when the birds arrived instead of just leaving the traps open. Id be better of in pigeon racing if I didnt work as far as I can see LOL LOL LOL

 

when u handing ur notice in steve lol ;D,there are times when its unfair when some ppl have to work,i dont work as im reg..disabled,but i do like to get involved as much as my back amongst other things allows,...my skivvy...i mean wife  ;D ;D ;Ddoes lots for me and she knows how/when and how much feed/training/medication/ they must have if im not well.....she does lots to be honest...thing is ..she dont like how settled the birds are around me even if she goes in there so much and are a bit flighty around her....paul

 

[Jumbo]

You ask if its a fair system but is it fair to have a t3 strapped to your waist trapping into a stall trap against a toulet trapping into a sputnick .  

[Guest]

i trap into open doors and into a stb on a bench myself....paul

[tubbles]

I have flown since 1984 so not too long compared to some, but, in my opinion at the moment i really don't think it will do the sport much good. Many of the fanciers now are (must tread careful here) old and they may think that a £300 investment on a clocking system that could save them anything from seconds to even a minute if disabled, could be a bit too expensive. With not all that many newcomers in the sport it is hard to think of sell on value as clocks now are only around a hundred pounds, second hand anyway. I understand the workers who HAVE to work on race days and feel sorry for them but to not get the pleasure of seeing the bird finish defeats the object of racing to me. I am lucky in a way as i am able bodied and get care allowance to look after my mother so time at the backgarden loft is no problem.

 

This argument/discussion will not go away until the powers that be make a decision and i think they must act in the best interests of the sport. I am secretary of my club and had to read out a letter in the club from the region secretary of the RPRA and it got a stoney response in the club. I am sure however that if it comes in, some members will get the ETS and others won't, then perhaps we could have a handicap system and say knock three to five seconds off a bird timed into a clock. LOL just another idea to throw into the mix.

[gangster]

YA PAYS YA MONEY N TAKE YOUR CHOICE!!!!! IF YOU AINT WINNING WITH OUT IT YOU AINT WINNING WITH IT!!!!!!!! YOU CANT MAKE THEM FLY FASTER WITH A CLOCK...........

[stevebelbin]

I understand the workers who HAVE to work on race days and feel sorry for them but to not get the pleasure of seeing the bird finish defeats the object of racing to me. I am lucky in a way as i am able bodied and get care allowance to look after my mother so time at the backgarden loft is no problem.

 

Thats all fair enough, but when a combine releases held over birds and has them coming back when Im at work then theres no choice. And if im asked to work on a weekend, I cant turn the money down, as I like the extra money  ;D. I totally agree that its nice to be there to see the birds home, and if im there I watch every bird home, even if its my last bird home, it gets treated the same as the others, but its only one part of keeping pigeons. Theres all the planning, reading, breeding, ups and downs that make it a hobby  ;D ;D

[Roland]

Regardless what we believe, it will be here shortly.

Of course the ole lame duck of not making birds fly faster is true, but not a shred of relevance as to whether one or more birds can - will be - clocked faster. Of course it is. Proven to be 17 seconds faster per birds! And of course help prevents any Try Shy scenarios becoming prevalent.

Now any half pint can tell you whether it is fair o r not. When those, that are able to afford ET, agree to have a rule of 20 seconds per bird handicap - that can't ever be changed - over manuals, then 70% of the real reasons for wanting ET will be discarded straight off! And there isn't a scenario ever put up now that hasn't been heard and discussed etc.

Now if I fly against Steve and he agrees on 15 seconds per birds then go for it.

But I doubt that Steve - he may but I doubt it - or many others will accept that!

Why, because it says that it is for many of the other merits - like training, not being there, can be incorporated.

But they won't, instead most we talk the cods wallop that AS he can have one, then everyone can have one so why should we, or anyone be penalised.

Simple, the vast majority can afford one! And many feel that it's too late for them to change. So many will leave this so called sport that we can ill afford to lose!

Yes I've like everyone else has heard the cobblers that if they want to leave that will any way! Those are not the ones we mean and well they know it. It's the ones that can't afford it that will be peeved big time as the more affluent gain even more  -and may I state - undeserved advantage.

Would I like one...? Nothing stops me or any one else having one so where's the problem there? Belgium uses them ... but still have to MANUALLY clock in within 5 minutes, so that in reality is nigh a waste of time, and why....

30 years ago Belgium had 125 000 fanciers, today 35,000. The Costs! And the younger ones have to spend money on more 'Important' things, like rearing kids, mortgages / rent etc.

That is one MAIN reason why WIFES begrudge and stop husbands from being fanciers... Now one doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out. So a GOOD thing! Off course, Can we as a hobby afford it... no! Too many loses of fanciers and another block on new members joining. Will they come, of course, there is still money to be made in this port, and the manuals at realist second hand prices are a real bargain!

P.s. not many like to A. admit the wife won't let them. and B. not many like to admit they can't afford ... Let the genuine ones put into a clause of 17 seconds handicap ... that's never going to happen of course.... By golly we have all seen every season where a fraction separates the first 3- 7 even, those without the ET won't be in here anymore! Now there's another fact. AND that isn't because the ET made their birds fly faster either!

[MITIE man]

Interesting One!!

 

The Merseyside Federation held a "Unikon" demonstration at the end of Jan 07.

 

2 well known and highly respected fanciers currently have the system and use it for training, but what was concerning was that these 2 fanciers locate the sensor pad on the underside of the "speedtrap" drop board!! >

 

So there bird doesnt even enter the loft and is recorded, surely there must be some kind of rules in place for this kind of circustance - it goes against all principals of pigeon racing...

 

What a crock of sh*t (and they call it fair??)

 

[westy]

Neither really, I feel it will take all the fun out of the sport, how many times have you heard of rubbers being dropped lol. with ETS the bird will return, go through the trap, and its all over to me this is boring, I think its much more fun to remove rubbers, your in such a rush to time them in, the addrenalin rush is great.

 

just my oppinion

 

Jason

 

agree with u mate i love it when clocking inwould never miss it and never have

[Roland]

Interesting One!!

 

The Merseyside Federation held a "Unikon" demonstration at the end of Jan 07.

 

2 well known and highly respected fanciers currently have the system and use it for training, but what was concerning was that these 2 fanciers locate the sensor pad on the underside of the "speedtrap" drop board!! >

 

So there bird doesnt even enter the loft and is recorded, surely there must be some kind of rules in place for this kind of circustance - it goes against all principals of pigeon racing...

Yes did happen, but now the sensor pads - or will be - will have to be behind the UPRIGHT  loft face. and the bird must be in and not able to get out. Was like Miti says a time when if a bird landed on the trap and took off it was timed in.

Like wise have been updated since the time when Garage doors would ADD A MINUTE BY REMOTE CONTROL I.e press up and added a minute, press down and took a minute of.  Can't be done now ... like te manual that was soaking from being in the freezer / en, people are wise to it.

 

 

 

[oldmanstan]

the pads are supposed to be seaid into place and should not be moved for the rest of the seasion

thats the way thay do it in edinburgh or should i say thats whats supposed to be done

[johnny11]

Hi Phil (Tubbles)

 

Like the avatar will you do me one

 

John

[Guest]

On previous posts:

 

The existing stall trap is outside the loft and the bird is timed before it enters the loft. ETS rules up here state the sensor pad must be fitted inside the loft, and the sensor pad is sealed in place by a club/fed official.

 

Cost & fairness are balanced out by Club Lottery Grants. Up here when it was first passed, only individuals purchased the system. Now it's clubs thro Grant. You can apply for a new Grant for club equipment every year. If everybody has the option of installing ETS, then an individual exercising personal choice of not having one cannot fairly be said to be flying to any disadvantage against a member who has opted for ETS. Definite advantage lies in timing multiple pigeons.

 

Agree with posts about not seeing birds home from a race. Some fanciers don't have any option. Former club member was a postman worked very Saturday morning. Young Birds were always home (untimed) before he was. And another member is On Call Facilities for the local hospital, called away from the loft while waiting race birds on a few occasions last year. I was recently interviewed for a job working 3 out of 4 weekends, wasn't too bothered as will be ETS, but still quite pleased that I didn't get it ... ETS or not, I'll still be watching for them, and I don't think I'll be any less excited seeing them come.

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

There will be arguements over this for years , we have had it in Scotland for five years and it is only for this season coming that in Lanarkshire you will be able to use it for every race, rules here are the pads have to be inside the loft and it is up to each club to ensure every member has this done, me I don't care either way , if you want it use , if you don't want it then do not buy it, agree fully with Jason about catching the bird and removing the rubber and timing in, great feeling, we have an old member in our club and he has arthritis in his hands and he sometimes has difficulty taking the rubber off and clocking in, he says he would never change doing this because he says it makes it even more exciting for him when he drops the rubber and panics trying to get it in, he says this is what makes the races for him doing it the way he has done it for 60 years, but everybody should have the choice to do as they please with any clock as long as it is a recognised one, this system will be here for everybody eventually so everybody that moans about it wil just have to face the fact it will be brought in to England and Wales just the same as here,

[oldmanstan]

there is a club in edinburgh if you join you must buy a E.T.S within one year that is a rule in that club

[Guest TAMMY_1]

there is a club in edinburgh if you join you must buy a E.T.S within one year that is a rule in that club

 

totally wrong to try and force it on anybody

[friendsloft]

agree with what everyone is saying pads should be on the inside, but what if the fed and clubs you fly in agree to put the pads on the outside so everyone is the same and sealed in that posistion, now you enter an open race against other fliers who have it on the inside isnt that an advantage, is the outside pad ileagal or not its been passed by the local fed and they have sealed it in place, the open race officials are not going to go round and check all fanciers arethey, just athought

Friendsloft

[Ian McKay]

Tammy you do look good in that kit ????

[Pompey Mick]

When has pigeon racing  ever been fair?

[friendsloft]

agree with what everyone is saying pads should be on the inside, but what if the fed and local club all agree that the pads can be placeed on the outside, these will then be sealed by the club. now lets say you enter an open race, u r up against members who have it on the inside isnt that an advantage and is it legal ? because lets be honest the officials of a open race are not going to go round every competing member, just a thought

Friendsloft

[tubbles]

As for the pads being sealed to the landing places, A lot of people in my area race to allotments, They have their lofts broken into quite often( i don't mean regularly ) but where would that leave them and do these things just run on batteries or do they need electricity? We do not have this system around here yet but nobody seems to mention powering the pads.  :B

 

LoL do they beep as they go in like in the supermarket barcode reader.