ETS Race programs

[Guest slugmonkey]

looking again I would have thought that the first loft should have had time to still clock the first 10 birds although he probably would have scared some off the board while trapping the others and ultimatly scared some off the trap from the second drop so I dont really see what is fairer about the manual system this guy legitimatly beat the second loft with his first and second drops which puts guy 2 at 17th or below in effect picking up 4 positions at best

Just because a guy didnt trap a bird dosent mean it still wasnt home first !!!!

P.S. this wasnt an allotment race as the diffrences in distance shows guy # 2 got beat thats why his name isnt on the top of the sheet, a few seconds is overfly a few minutes is a solid loss! again I dont see what isnt fair about not giving guy 1 his due????

[Roland]

Very true Bruno ... or they want their cake and eat it. All in all, in a different time / place I would welcome the ET. It is just realy that I believe it is really grossly unfair for those not abl, whether through costs, old habbits ot loft position. These are e 'Lads, and very often the very grass roots of the sport that again have to pay the price for the more affluent and able. That is why I shalln't be having one... well in fact it seems no one in the three local clubs I'm in will be lol. But of course that is just first f, we all know that that will change.

[Guest slugmonkey]

If this is truly the case about being fair then maybe we should give all fanciers the same birds so that none are bred any diffrent than others and also limit the type and amount of feed and meds as well

P.S. I really resent the statement about " OLD HABITS " I think this statement sums up about 90% of the argument why should I be penalized because another flier is too hardheaded or stupid to use a better system ? Should I not be allowed to use widowhood because someone else dosent want to take the time to learn it....

[Chatrace]

My next question on this is just how many times does the average flyer get 10 or 12 birds on a drop when releases with over 2000 birds from 60 plus lofts. If you do you should get all the places  8)

[Roland]

lol, always told that when all all birds come on the 'Drop' then your loft is coming into form, so Chatrace. everytime you are cooking wit gas I suppose. Must admit that I, like most others, seem to get them nigh altogether when I'm in with a shout. If ones and two's I know, and am behind being proped up via Bruno. Od, very rare, and always the  same topic of choppsing when one arrives alone and wins by 5-10 - 20 minutes, on the sprint middle distance of upto 500 miles. Harddays, smashes, ad clashes etc. excepted. JMO

[Guest]

My next question on this is just how many times does the average flyer get 10 or 12 birds on a drop when releases with over 2000 birds from 60 plus lofts. If you do you should get all the places  8)

 

That's the point, they are not average flyers, they are at the top of their game, they don't need ETS to win, but whereas before they might have been satisfied with their 1st pigeon + their pooler in the clock, some of them now appear to want all their birds in the clock.

 

And while there's a mixture of conventional and ETS clocking, all the data is a manual typing job into a computer race results programme to get a race result published. With more and more going over to ETS what used to take less than an hour at Saturday's clock reading meeting now takes most of Saturday afternoon. 8 ETS members is a minimum of 40 pigeons timed, then the other 16 conventional have say 32 pigeons timed, thats 72 individual bird entries before you get a club result.

[Roland]

111% agree Bruno...

[Guest slugmonkey]

Once you get the bugs ironed out it takes about 10 minutes to get results as things progress you wont even have to go to the club house !!!

With the benzing clocks you can actually watch the race live - all fanciers that have the new M1 can link them and you can see the results as birds are clocked so you would know as it happens what is going on

[Guest slugmonkey]

P.S. the ETS clocks spit out a race report which tells clocking times ect you dont have to empty thimbles and match countermark #s or any of that mess you simply hit the button and it prints it in black and white within 30 seconds I would like to see someone empty a mechanical clock that fast !!!!

[Roland]

Like 'I'd like to see a manual clock 6 as fast as a ET!

[pigeonscout]

If a guy gets 20 birds together and you get your first bird 1 min later. Was your bird faster than the 15 birds he had not time to clock because it took him 1 min's to clock 4 of the 20. Do you think your bird should get credit for being the 5th fastest bird when in fact it was 21st. If a guy clocks 20 birds using ETS before you time your first it is only because his 20 birds were faster. I do not want false prize cards I want true results. If your going to knock ETS do it using facts The fanciers in Holland, USA and other countries did not leave the sport. They changed over to ETS and guess what they would not change back. If I do not win a race it will not be because someone has ETS it will be because my birds were not fast enough and that will be my fault plain and simple. When I do not win I look for my faults I never look to blame someone or something else. ETS is going to be another reasons losers will use for not winning as it is never their fault.

You guys that say people will leave the sport do you have a crystal ball because it never happened in other countries. Do you ever stop to think how many people it could bring into the sport or how many people it will stop leaving the sport because they are no longer able to catch and clock birds.

There is no point talking about advantage and disadvantage when there is noting fair about manual clocks.

[Guest slugmonkey]

I agree

[Guest]

There is no knocking in my posts on ETS, they are based on facts, and some current concerns surrounding its use in Scotland, and not necessarily my own concerns at that.

 

The fact of the matter is the race is decided by the fastest bird timed into the clock, not who had the first drop on the board, not whether it was 1 or 21 pigeons: The finishing post is inside the clock.

 

And I have been given an eye-witness account of an event in which a pigeon that dropped first & trapped first was placed 2nd in the race to the bird which  dropped and trapped after it to an adjoining loft, yet won the race.

 

The 1st pigeon was conventional clocked and while one partner was in the loft timing it in, the other partner outside saw the eventual winner drop to the neighbouring loft's landing board and go thro the ETS trap.

[gangster]

BUT DID HE CATCH IT AND DID THE OTHER BIRD ARRIVE WHILE HE WAS CATCHING HIS BIRD IN THE LOFT

[Guest]

BUT DID HE CATCH IT AND DID THE OTHER BIRD ARRIVE WHILE HE WAS CATCHING HIS BIRD IN THE LOFT

 

The fanciers reckoned their bird was in the clock.

 

The only other explanation I can offer is that an ETS clock is always considered a correct clock. If there was any variation on the conventional clock caused by a 'slow coach' opening or closing strike of say just 1 second slow, it could have been enough to lose this loft the race.

[Guest slugmonkey]

What times were on the sheet, it was entirely possible that the bird was clocked when he lit, my boards are built into the side of my loft so a lot of times when his feet touch down he is already clocked

[Roland]

Canada and other places  have to have the padds behind the upright so it is in and can't come out before it is timed! Many are the birds that hit the board and  lit upto the roof tops and hang about. Manual again can't do that, and those that do, and are able haven't HOMED or legally timed in.

Many the birds that have a look through the traps and come out, walk around a mite or hit the house, when nervy or spooked. I hope that the ET's here are run properly and not to give even more lee way to the ET's!

[Chatrace]

the clocking pads are to be 2/3 inside the loft,some have them 100% inside the bob line, they can be sealed in place for the season. We use a tunnel type stall for them to enter the loft and the pads are back in the tunnel

[Roland]

Chatrace realistic and fair.

[Chatrace]

try this site for the Benzing programs. maybe it will transulate

http://www.benzing.ro/instructiuni.htm

[pigeonscout]

 

 

The fact of the matter is the race is decided by the fastest bird timed into the clock, not who had the first drop on the board, not whether it was 1 or 21 pigeons: The finishing post is inside the clock.

 

 

 

I agree at this time it is the fastest bird into the clock but that is what is unfair about racing with manual clocks. The sport is called pigeon racing not rubber clocking your bird should be timed when it stops flying at the loft. The race is from A to B the result is worked out in yards per minute from A to B not A to B then catch take rubber off and clock. A is the release point B is the loft that is all you are measured for. Two men one 20 year old one 80 year old. The 80 year old mans bird enters the loft 30 sec's before the 20 year olds bird. It takes the 80 year old 1 min to catch and clock his bird. The 20 year old man does it in 10 sec's beating the 80 year old by 20 sec's to the clock. Now you tell me who had the fastest bird, tell me who won the race then try tell me that manual clocks are fair.

[gangster]

i see were your coming from.scout...... :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[Guest slugmonkey]

If you look at our sport there are MANY situations that are unfair such as wind, overfly, orientation time, ect and no allowances are made for these, if anything I think ETS levels the field somewhat when all members use it