Champion "Bad News"

[schouwman71]

Hi

 

i have a g,son out of Champion "Bad News" GB90A713336 i believe it to be a van reet but can ant one give me more info on Bad News,who raced him and whats he bred,ive got a list of his performances and they are outstanding.any info will be appreciated.Thanxs

[Jumbo]

I think he was raced by Brian Kaid of Wales and was bred by Dean Pallett.

[schouwman71]

cheers jumbo

[gangster]

sorry to add alot of performances were ficticious from the kaid birds????????????????

[tubbles]

sorry to add alot of performances were ficticious from the kaid birds????????????????

 

Come on Gangster you'll have to expand on that. Is this just doubt or is it proven?

[gangster]

well im not saying  bad news s performances were but its fact j.gerard bought the main pair for top dollar and upon confirming there performances with the fed sec they had NOT WON  what was claimed and john got his money back this is a FACT!!!  but im not saying bad news s performances arnt right but what ive stated can be verified by john.......

[Roland]

Just goes to prove the wisdom of 'Checking' besides taking the word of the smiling feather Merchant. Yes mny are cosha, but a lot more aren't.

Not saying owt aboy The Kais of course etc.  In fact I have never even heard of them. So trhey could have the first bird to fly from Timbucktoo to queensland for all I know. And I don't know much as you all know lol.

About on parr with Al I suppose.... lol

[swilcox]

Im afraid i have to agree with you cases of Pigeon Fraud are on the increase, the problem is there isnt a proper body who you can take your greviences too?

 

Stuart

[jack walker]

hi schouwman 71 i believe brian kaid got his birds from L P W jansen and crossed them with dean pallett S V R.  If you want to sell him let me know i could be intrested at the right price i,ll trust the word of the man i believe he flew in the PILL flying club he used to write in the BHW i did not see any one questioning his results then just my opinion cheers jack

[Ian McKay]

Sorry I have now to give you what I know

I personally checked the results and pedigrees Gangster is speaking about and they were incorrect

All money was refunded and the birds were NOT collected.

I personally handled the birds and checked all information and I was NOT an interested party.

 

[Guest]

Ian, that's very wierd becausethe results were on the Welsh North Road Fed, which suggests that if there was anything untoward there may have been collusion at the club???? Also I think he flew in Pill and that was a very good club well run........i thought!!

So why was this never publicised and why was kaid never 'done' or was he?

[gangster]

im not saying brian did not win a lot coz i knew he did but i know as a matter of fact  the cock was duke and his results were  not won it was verified....JUST SO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND IM NOT SAYING HE DID NOT FLY WELL BUT  PERFORMANCES WERE FALSE FOR DUKE AND THE HEN ........AND TO ADD THIS HAS NO BEARING ON YOUR BIRD SCOUWMAN....MICK...

[Guest]

Thanks Gangster, now I understand, thought for a minute there had been a real dodgy scandal that had been swept under the table, though selling birds as top birds on ficticious performances odgy enough in itself especially fom a born again!

[gangster]

no it was quite simple he sold the "DUKE"and his hen  with ficticious results he cant argue coz its a fact, but i never said he did not win many 1st....  PLEASE ALSO REMEMBER THESE WERE SOLD AT A PUBLIC AUCTION WITH FALSE RESULTS"FACT"................................

[GREENGRASS]

i wonder who the auctioneer was............................................ ;) ;)

[gangster]

now! now!!! thats an impertinent question ...i dont need to answer.......... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Ian McKay]

The Fed secretary would not could not confirm the results?

The Welsh union were not interested.

The RPRa were not interested.

Facts that I know to be true

Only speaking about the birds Gangster has mentioned that was the two bought and I checked

The auctioneer was Derek Nicholls and he returned the money no problem.

[swilcox]

As i Have said there are many frauds!!!

 

In the last 3 months i have heard from the horses mouth so to speak.

 

1) Pigeons being auctioned in Ireland with false pedigrees by foreign fancier.!!!

 

2) Pigeons being sold on the internet with false breeding performances by UK fancier!!!

 

3) Dutch flyer cheating with clock but still selling lots of pigeons on the internet!!!

 

Some may be true some not, the fact is if you approuch the RPRA they will tell you they have no interest in the coomercail side of the sport and its not like you can name them when you are in my position as you leave your self open to legal action.

 

As i have said many times its a mine field.

 

Stuart

[nigel holloway]

being from south wales i can tell you that brian kaid actually won thw welsh national from Thurso with the van reets,thurso being 485 mls approx.he put up some brilliant performances in the big welsh north road fed. there was talk that certain  pigeons had performances that they didnt actually obtain,but bad news  won a lot and was a brilliant pigeon.

[celtic]

Stuart; surely they SHOULD have an interest in the commercial side of things, how much money is generated each year from such transactions down the line, the amount has to be huge, i've got to add i support what you say and personally think they must have the attitude that if they stick their head in the sand then they don't see anything then don't have to act. No need for this in this day and age.

[gangster]

being from south wales i can tell you that brian kaid actually won thw welsh national from Thurso with the van reets,thurso being 485 mls approx.he put up some brilliant performances in the big welsh north road fed. there was talk that certain  pigeons had performances that they didnt actually obtain,but bad news  won a lot and was a brilliant pigeon.

 

NIGEL THE POSTING BY MYSELF IN NO WAY SAYS BAD NEWS PERFORMANCES WERE NOT RIGHT BUT THE RESULTS PUT UP FOR DUKE WERE TOTAL FANTASY...I DO KNOW BRIAN DID WIN PLENTY BUT WHY PUT UP PERFORMANCES HE DID NOT WIN.......?????....MONEY QUITE SIMPLE