ETS

[ransom50]

thats how it is you have to get the birds over the pad,but they have to be home in good time no matter what timeing system you got,ets dosnt make them faster!!!,i used it at the w,end and i was very impressed it clocked 21 pigeons in 70 sec,i was 1st 2nd 4th 5th 6th 7th 9th 10th 342 birds,and the print out for future reference telling you what time the bird came in ect brill ;D ;D dont knock it till you have tryed it i did now i have one ;D ;D

[PIGEON_MAN]

As you say Ransom you still got to get the birds home and if you had 21 in 70 seconds thats brilliant flying mate nothing to do with ETS.

[Roland]

If you got the birds and the know how you will compete against the guy with ETS even if you got a TOULET,when are some of you guys going to realise it,s not the clocking system that makes you a good fancier.

 

What you repeat the same old agreed garbage for. That is true and stated 100's of time... or have you just realised that!

But just what has that got to do with the price of eggs!

[PIGEON_MAN]

Probably for the same reason you keep repeting the same old garbage about adding a time penalty onto people who CHOOSE to use it,not to gain any advantage over the next fancier but because it suits them.

[dazza]

Ets is great as it shows the real velocity of every bird but as it stands at the moment it is simply not fair.

 

In a time when the sport is declining why would a governing body take the chance of losing more members?

 

The sensible decision would of been to say - we feel as the governing body that Ets is the way forward for various different reasons and will be brought in to effect from the beginning of the 08 or 09 racing season. This would have given everyone the opportunity to carefully consider the options/cost etc. As it stands now i fear many members will decide to pack in at the end of this season.

 

I personally would like ETS but am not prepared to ruin my local club by getting it as i know there are certain members who can not afford it, even though i am putting myself at abig disadvantage when competing at higher levels.

 

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

Sorry Dazza i cant see any reasoning in your comments at all,How does it show the true velocity of the bird over any other clock you still have to get the bird home and then get it to go over the pad,why should the governing body lose more members just by bringing in a new clock(after all thats all it is ) why wait until 08 or 09 to bring it in people have had plenty of time to decide wether or not to have it,why you think many members will pack in at the end of the season baffles me,if it,s because of a new clock coming out well i think thats a very poor excuse,not sure how well you fly at the moment but buying a ETS system wont make you any better and as for saying it will ruin your club well thats probably the best one i,ve heard so far,also why you think you will be at a disadvantage when competing at a higher level sorry but i still can,t see your reasoning there either.

[dazza]

To Pigeon Man please don't tell me that ETS doesn't make your pigeons come quicker, i am a bit tired off that line now.

 

Of course it shows the true velocity of every bird because you don't lose time clocking them in especially if you get 3/4 together.

 

I think that it is also fair to say that some members will pack it in if they perceive that it is unfair. There have been several on here who have mentioned it.

 

Why was their such a rush to bring it in immediately, why not give people time to prepare/save up.

 

As i originally wrote i would like to have ETS but only on the basis that it is fair for everyone. You might not care but i race in a club of 6 members if a couple of them decide to quit as they have indicated where do we go from there, where do i race then if the club folds.

 

 

[Roland]

Probably for the same reason you keep repeting the same old garbage about adding a time penalty onto people who CHOOSE to use it,not to gain any advantage over the next fancier but because it suits them.

 

In that case then why not allow them that can't have one to use just 10 seconds! eh! After all you just want to use it and not gain, or have any advantage. No you won't do that simply because you have your cake and want evry last crumb to eat!

[Roland]

Ets is great as it shows the real velocity of every bird but as it stands at the moment it is simply not fair.

 

In a time when the sport is declining why would a governing body take the chance of losing more members?

 

The sensible decision would of been to say - we feel as the governing body that Ets is the way forward for various different reasons and will be brought in to effect from the beginning of the 08 or 09 racing season. This would have given everyone the opportunity to carefully consider the options/cost etc. As it stands now i fear many members will decide to pack in at the end of this season.

 

I personally would like ETS but am not prepared to ruin my local club by getting it as i know there are certain members who can not afford it, even though i am putting myself at abig disadvantage when competing at higher levels.

 

 

Great realistic, sensible and honest post. Ditto mate feel the same 100% I won't have one for them same reasons as I have stated. Yes I'd love one too, and if the club will agree to dock me 15 seconds off mine and everyone else ET, I'd have one tomorrow. As it is, there are another scenario. What if the Club or even the FED can't afford to buy their part?! You couldn't levy the club members, especially if 70% or more can't or won't have it!

So what if then the pro ET brigade decide to purchase it for the club / Fed?

A year or two down the line they couldn't ask, or expect any new members, or existing members that have changed their mind and decide to have the ET.

I mean just where would the money go....

[PIGEON_MAN]

To Pigeon Man please don't tell me that ETS doesn't make your pigeons come quicker, i am a bit tired off that line now.

 

Of course it shows the true velocity of every bird because you don't lose time clocking them in especially if you get 3/4 together.

 

I think that it is also fair to say that some members will pack it in if they perceive that it is unfair. There have been several on here who have mentioned it.

 

Why was their such a rush to bring it in immediately, why not give people time to prepare/save up.

 

As i originally wrote i would like to have ETS but only on the basis that it is fair for everyone. You might not care but i race in a club of 6 members if a couple of them decide to quit as they have indicated where do we go from there, where do i race then if the club folds.

 

 

So what are YOU saying then Dazza that ETS makes the birds come faster,Of course you loose time with ETS,you still got to get them to trap,i,m sorry but i still cant see how you can say its unfair,you could say the same about someone using a stalltrap or open doors or a T3 strapped round their neck with a kwickstart fitted,if you read the RPRA notes you will see why it was bought in so quick(perhaps you think thats rubbish also)i,m not sure if you are the top flyer in your club at the moment but i can assure you that buying a ETS wont make you, so the other members have nothing to fear,and yes I do care one hell of a lot about my club thats why i,m Secretary,treasurer,clock setter,for the club the NFC,THE CSCFC,THE MCC,and up until last year THE MNFC as well as fed delegate and also on the fed,s emergency committee,and when you say about giving people time to prepare I have spent probably the last 6 months at least trying to find out as much as i can about ETS so that any member in our club that wants to use it can.

[Roland]

Yep and been swallowing the 'Silly' pills to, and far too long at that!!

Obviously you wouldn't give a jot if genuine fanciers leave BEACAUSE of the ET clocking. You undoubted would say 'They are just blaming that! ... They would have left any way scenario (cheap get out!)!

I care about each and everyone that leaves and especially the causes. And the most blatant reason is because of Egoistic, banshee committee men and the 'Stuff you we are alright and we are telling you if it's good for us then it SHOULD be for you.

Many great clubs are held together via astute and hard working committee men that work tirelessness for their club and sport ... mostly in that order, only to see all their hard endeavours come to no avail through selfish and too often short sight self righteous 'Committee men!

Seem nigh impossible for you to accept that great as it is, the ET could well cost this sport dear!

Golly you can’t even understand that many have to open a door, get into a compartment, catch the bird and take of the rubber / into a thimble and then strike a clock, whilst your birds never have to have a wary eye out for you and it’s not wanting to be caught – and forget about what ‘Joe Bloggs’ did and could do, smell the coffee an1760 ypm d wake up. For next week the manual clocker will lose another few seconds by a ‘Trap Shy’ bird. Equals a ¼ of a mile in 15 seconds, and as a clock setter and bottle washer you well know that!

So for once accept that we all know the ET’s merits, and great they are too…. Just look at the other side for a change.

On an allotment lofts 20 yards apart each have 6 birds split together … end of story! The manual clocker needn’t bother to time in! So I suppose by some quaint mysterious way he will and can have to improve to off set the ET who must be a dummy in that one can easily improve up on them.

Going bed and dreaming of owning a ET clock and gaining a stretch on my good club mates. lol

;D

[T_T]

Has anyone used a Benzing M1 ETS yet ,? if so could they pm me please.  Need to know the ins and outs.

[Chatrace]

Has anyone used a Benzing M1 ETS yet ,? if so could they pm me please.  Need to know the ins and outs.

 

I don't have the M1 but have seen them used and worked with them putting birds in. Very nice clock, a bit pricy. I would like to have one when my Express goes as they are easy to work with and easy to read

[Back garden fancier]

There seems to be a snag with ETS I've not heard anyone mention yet. Most clubs have a "snowball" or "buster" whereby the nominated pigeon has to win the race to win the pot of money. Sometimes it goes for weeks not won and gets to a good amount. Imagine your horror if more than one pigeon arrived and the ETS clocked the "wrong" pigeon first!! With a normal clock, you'd clock your Pool/nom pigeon first, but ETS wouldn't know. It will happen to someone soon no doubt.

[PIGEON_MAN]

Must admit there mate you are correct,guess thats one problem you would have using ETS,only way round it as i see would be to change it in the club to the first nominated pigeon or if you got ETS dont bother to have a go.

[THE FIFER]

i think the bird that is home first deserves to be the winner, not the one u fancy and have money on

[JADE]

If your that worried about the money keep the trap shut and make sure the pooler goes in first. Mind you by the time you`ve done that you will probably have lost the race