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[Guest]

 

Why not just relax and enjoy your birds coming home you find out who has won the race when the clocks are checked lib lines and arrival lines are just a complete rip off if you want to join in fine but making it compulsary is a complete joke!

 

got to agree with you there me whats the point in clocking them in when they come just fone lib line and say that you have and when everbody does it then we will know who the winner is ,

[Guest WINGS 04]

if you want your birds back dont bother sending them we always get stick if your that bothered move house,you keep moving the race program to suite you on the west but your never happy,when i won the nat they were birds in the top 10 from the north so if they can get them whats your excuse

 

i think you are out of ORDER if decky was to stay in your section you would want him to move as he would be winning

[shotgun tim]

how can you say that you cant prove that statement but hes welcome to try

[pender]

There is def something wrong with the birds getting in to the west, what it is i dont no, there wiser than me dont no the answer. This year the lanarkshire birds did not get any distance with there birds and i think this was one reason for lots of losses there, i see j murphy on about the birds in the se  of the country flying great distances before the y/b nat and then they have great race that i would not argue with, but if we had to try that here in the west we would have no y/b left at all for the y/b nat. we just need to look at our last y/b race with the fed use from 150 -160 mile and there are use bad races. Maybe we should take the attitude and send them on and only be left with a few each year and then breed from them and maybe just maybe in 4 to 6 year time you will have family of birds you could send anywhere but are we brave enough?

[pender]

And if shotgun tim was in the west we would be crying for him to go as he could win all there is to win here wings, point is good flyers are good flyers where ever they fly.

[andy]

There is def something wrong with the birds getting in to the west, what it is i dont no, there wiser than me dont no the answer. This year the lanarkshire birds did not get any distance with there birds and i think this was one reason for lots of losses there, i see j murphy on about the birds in the se  of the country flying great distances before the y/b nat and then they have great race that i would not argue with, but if we had to try that here in the west we would have no y/b left at all for the y/b nat. we just need to look at our last y/b race with the fed use from 150 -160 mile and there are use bad races. Maybe we should take the attitude and send them on and only be left with a few each year and then breed from them and maybe just maybe in 4 to 6 year time you will have family of birds you could send anywhere but are we brave enough?

Ah Pender, has the penny finally dropped???Ive been saying this for the last few years to all my mates, who are also good flyers, flying into lanarkshire.

 

[majorpet]

this is not meant to undermind anyones pigeons.

 

have you ever thought of introducing some pigeons from the north section?

 

the birds up here are vastly underrated by the south lads.

 

when birds are arriving in the borders,annan etc, the north section lads still have another race to go to get home.

mabe worth a try ,and, apart from one fancier, they wouldnt cost the earth.

 

majorpet

[budgie]

this is not meant to undermind anyones pigeons.

 

have you ever thought of introducing some pigeons from the north section?

 

the birds up here are vastly underrated by the south lads.

 

when birds are arriving in the borders,annan etc, the north section lads still have another race to go to get home.

mabe worth a try ,and, apart from one fancier, they wouldnt cost the earth.

 

majorpet

With the prevailing West Winds just look at the trees and the way they are permantly bent over. Its now getting as hard to get Doos into Annan as it is the West Section .Fanciers in the West have purchased the Best from the East Coast Route FANCIERS and only a handfull have ever been any Good.Look at the distances from the S East Corner to  the Central Belt Of Lanarkshire some 20miles yet it can take them nearly 2 hours to Fly 20 miles. :o

 

 

[shotgun tim]

well if my birds were only doing 10mph i no where there next flight would be straight in the bin!!!!!!!!!!

[ALF]

well if my birds were only doing 10mph i no where there next flight would be straight in the bin!!!!!!!!!!

 

AYE GOOD FOR YOU

[budgie]

 

AYE GOOD FOR YOU

Alf as a Lanakshire Man how many SNFC tickets have you had over the Last 2-3 years before you make statements which are degrading the fanciers in your area.

 

 

[budgie]

well if my birds were only doing 10mph i no where there next flight would be straight in the bin!!!!!!!!!!

Tim tell us where we can get these Doos and believe me i would bin the lot as i have always said their is 98% crap in every dookit.

 

 

[ALF]

Alf as a Lanakshire Man how many SNFC tickets have you had over the Last 2-3 years before you make statements which are degrading the fanciers in your area.

 

 

I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE SNFC BUT THIS IS AN OPEN FORUM FOR ANYONE TO VOICE AN OPINION!

[ALF]

AND BUDGIE I TAKE IT YOU NEVER UNDERSTOOD MY REPLY TO SHOTGUN TIM THEN???

[Guest]

Think the west section birds might be flying a dog-leg?

 

I've no idea where the west break-point might be on the east coast, but time & distance wise the difference is a bit like a train journey from London to Glasgow via Leeds & Carlisle, and London to Glasgow via Newcastle & Edinburgh.

 

Agree very much with Andy: Federation programmes that are very much geared to their members flying the national and flyers that fly their birds thro the program is what decides which areas consistently get the leading birds.

[sj irving jnr]

would it not help the west if they went back to the old route instead of flying there birds at the other side of the country??have there positions improved since flying there birds on the east side and what about losses? have they got alot of ybs left at the end of the season??

[Fair Play]

I think it is very ungracious to suggest there are no good birds in the West there are a lot of underlying factors. The West side of the country is mountainous and comes with all kinds of up and down draughts on the route home not to mention our arch enemy "Percy". The East side is reasonably flat and as the late "Jack Adams" stated they follow the tram lines. Like it or lump it the opposite sides of the country offer two completely different types of racing.

[shotgun tim]

if your wanting birds that fly 10mph go to your local farm sure youl find some dark cheqers there

[pender]

Any country that flys pigeons have same things in common, there are lofts that are not in good locations and they have the hardest fly in that set national. Now most things you can apply logic to, but not pigeon flying, take most races there will always be some bird or some person will have exeptional race or post in that race. Now does that make all the rest of the birds that fly in that sec that are way behind in open result bad pigeons?And there races where like the y/b nat some have great returns and others are wiped out now just because some have had good returns does that mean the ones that did not make it are bad, remember we are talking of top flyers with top bloodlines here. Point i trying to make is pigeon racing can not be taking as set rule hence we can not apply logic to pigeon racing.

[pender]

I think you may be right scot about the west route, we are getting lib over the east side of the pennines, now the birds will not cross over it so they then must fly up the east side then cross over, the cross over i dont no where that may be. But we must be puting miles on there trip, the birds of prey are everywhere now days, and the people who have been training out of abbington elvenfoot beatock and thorten rd end have all had good year in our fed lanarkshire and there losses were no greater than those training from the east side.

[pender]

Majorpet, the best breeding pigeon i ever had came from the north sec i got it from kelly tom, and it was bred by wilson noble being a g/son of black rocket .

[majorpet]

black rocket was a great pigeon-flown by a great fancier at the time. wilson noble.

true story, on the night of the race wilson noble told someone that if any bird was still flying at that time of night it would be his-black rocket duly obliged.

2nd open if memory serves me right!

wilson noble also flew a bird and got it from rome-lancelot i believe it was called.

long time ago.

[DECKY]

I think you may be right scot about the west route, we are getting lib over the east side of the pennines, now the birds will not cross over it so they then must fly up the east side then cross over, the cross over i dont no where that may be. But we must be puting miles on there trip, the birds of prey are everywhere now days, and the people who have been training out of abbington elvenfoot beatock and thorten rd end have all had good year in our fed lanarkshire and there losses were no greater than those training from the east side.

 

I fly in the Scottish Midland Fed and we have went down the west route for a few years now and the first 100miles is total suicide.The losses are unbelievable and you have birds returning every week with tails out etc.If you read the B.H.W this week in the SNFC Leicester report,Mike Currie talks of 14 pairs of peregrines in the Moffat area alone.Us racing down this route has not helped us in anyway regarding the Y.B National.

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

this is not meant to undermind anyones pigeons.

 

have you ever thought of introducing some pigeons from the north section?

 

the birds up here are vastly underrated by the south lads.

 

when birds are arriving in the borders,annan etc, the north section lads still have another race to go to get home.

mabe worth a try ,and, apart from one fancier, they wouldnt cost the earth.

 

majorpet

 

I race into the central belt of Scotland 14.4miles from hillend and I have said for ages about getting birds from peterhead frazerburgh ect ect but other ppl say they fly just as far as ours by the time ours come off the coastal line but I would still like to give it a try just to see what happens so anyone in that area who has some extra distance stock please pm me and we will get to find out at some point

by trying

 

[doos r us]

raced for years west route got hammered changed to east 9 years ago it was good at first now getting hammered went north rd this year best racing i have experienced since starting in 94 its the way to go for me best results and returns ever in 1 season not daft enough to think we wont get bad ones but it is enjoyable again we did not go to the national after all but clubmate d kennedy showed we can turn them around bhw this week 3rd region f well done davy