superstar Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 Take your point but the lottery people are not really interested in that, is your club open to all assuming they are willing to abide by the rules is the main stipulation. Not is it open to people who are not members of this club or that federation or who is not related to or a pal of this one or that one. That is regarded as discrimination and as such a grant will not be awarded. If I remember correctly the SHU themselves received a grant, wonder if they will end up having to pay it back? If the rules are not adhered to then all monnies should be paid back, fraud springs to mind. Wonder what all the people of clubs that got turned down who were honest would think!
p charlton Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 young garry mitchel [11 years old] was refused entry to gilmerton h,c gilmerton homing club have permission to use the" community" centre and in fact got a portacabin from them. gilmerton club [roughly 10 members] got a lottery grant [for" community"] young garry,s father, grandfather. great grandfather , all born in gilmerton [except great grandad but been in gilmerton 70 years ] all pillars of society ,never ever did anything unlawfull,, a well respected family secy of gilmerton club proposed young garry in ,,,,no seconder....[shocking] meeting held in pub [not affiliated to gilmerton club ] some gilmerton members were barred from this pub [nothing to do with pigeons] through this they could not get a vote [as they were not allowed in by pub] gilmerton members new this is this meeting valid. the reason young garry didnt get in ,,,,he knew me. [hundreds of others know me but get in to clubs] are they jealous,,do they think i would be helping him [which im not] we had this b4 when celtic won 4 or 5 races on the trot ,,automaticly and jealously took the shine from celtic ,, said it was jimmy white , ive never seen celtics loft, never been in his house ,,why try and take the guys glory away from him [shocking ,,,,im sure celtic will verify this ] what the hell is pigeon racing comming too :( the same thing happened to me when i was 12 would not let me in i had to go to a club around 4 miles away thet let me in 5 years later trying to get in again monday hope so ha
rembrant2coo Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 Take your point but the lottery people are not really interested in that, is your club open to all assuming they are willing to abide by the rules is the main stipulation. Not is it open to people who are not members of this club or that federation or who is not related to or a pal of this one or that one. That is regarded as discrimination and as such a grant will not be awarded. If I remember correctly the SHU themselves received a grant, wonder if they will end up having to pay it back? did it go on the balance sheet as that would make interesting reading "me"
me Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 Just in case anyone has got the wrong idea from some of my posts, as far as I am concerned the more the merrier especially a young keen lad we don't get many nowadays. As I have said a few times on this forum we are a dying breed, lets enjoy it as long as we can!
jimmy white Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Posted January 13, 2008 young garry mitchel [11 years old] was refused entry to gilmerton h,c gilmerton homing club have permission to use the" community" centre and in fact got a portacabin from them. gilmerton club [roughly 10 members] got a lottery grant [for" community"] young garry,s father, grandfather. great grandfather , all born in gilmerton [except great grandad but been in gilmerton 70 years ] all pillars of society ,never ever did anything unlawfull,, a well respected family secy of gilmerton club proposed young garry in ,,,,no seconder....[shocking] meeting held in pub [not affiliated to gilmerton club ] some gilmerton members were barred from this pub [nothing to do with pigeons] through this they could not get a vote [as they were not allowed in by pub] gilmerton members new this is this meeting valid. the reason young garry didnt get in ,,,,he knew me. [hundreds of others know me but get in to clubs] are they jealous,,do they think i would be helping him [which im not] we had this b4 when celtic won 4 or 5 races on the trot ,,automaticly and jealously took the shine from celtic ,, said it was jimmy white , ive never seen celtics loft, never been in his house ,,why try and take the guys glory away from him [shocking ,,,,im sure celtic will verify this ] what the hell is pigeon racing comming too :( discrimination springs to mind
Ian McKay Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 Sadly Ian you are completely wrong with regard lottery grants at least. The days of cleeks and minority votes making things up as they go along could(and should) be over. If your federation/club have discriminatory rules(i.e. rules to exclude people who wish to be members) and they have received a grant they might be asked to pay it back. Hi Me This answer was to vallance lofts who asked about changing from one system to another . Nothing to do with anything else or cleeks or minority votes. All applicants have to supply there constitution. All applicants have to sign to say they have accepted the lottery rules Cheers Ian
coey Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 is there not an appeal process you can go through? or is the decision final?
Fair Play Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 Vampires thrive on new blood why can't pigeon racing do the same
Ian McKay Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 Hi Me What happened to you post or is my puter playing up?????
jimmy white Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Posted January 13, 2008 is there not an appeal process you can go through? or is the decision final? they are holding another meeting in march,,,,,far to late for a youngster to hang on ,, not knowing ,,,,and possibly a delay tactic im sure the father will take the matters further ,,,,but what a fuss ,,,just to let a young lad in ,,,no need for it at all
frank-123 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 aye Ian i bet the constitution say must be proposed and seconded even eleven year old boys so really the club are not breaking any rules even the awards for all must have read there constitution but me is right we need more youngster's i cant keep pigeons going myself when all you auld yins are dead ;D
me Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 Hi Me What happened to you post or is my puter playing up????? No I think its mine thats playing up Ian I'll try and post this reply again the last one disappeared. I would like to apoligise to you Ian, I completely misread your post which is probably why I was deleting my original post just as QUITE RIGHTLY you were posting your reply. Once again Ian my apoligies for misreading your post - cheers
me Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 aye Ian i bet the constitution say must be proposed and seconded even eleven year old boys so really the club are not breaking any rules even the awards for all must have read there constitution but me is right we need more youngster's i cant keep pigeons going myself when all you auld yins are dead ;D You are right Bart most clubs constitutions do have something like that in their rules, but unfortunately the grants people say it must be "open to all". Will only take one complaint to bring the whole thing crashing down if we are not careful.
frank-123 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 so are you telling me a club must allow anybody into there club even if that person burned down there club hut and was convicted in a court of law still reckon you would need a proposer and a seconder and you will not be breaking any lottery rule's
HOMER49 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 they are holding another meeting in march,,,,,far to late for a youngster to hang on ,, not knowing ,,,,and possibly a delay tactic im sure the father will take the matters further ,,,,but what a fuss ,,,just to let a young lad in ,,,no need for it at all[/quote Hi Jimmy Have to disagree The applicant is a minor and the laws have to be abide by A minor must be accompanied by an adult Also the club must have a child protection officer to who the minor can confide if any abuse has been made towards him This would mean taking to his father or person made responsible for the minor whilst at the club Accepting a minor is not strait forward Cheers Homer 49
frank-123 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 was thinking that earlier we have a young lad who joined my club when he was 15 but is grandfather had to join as well even although i never seen the grandfather at the club i thought this was just my club rule is every club the same homer49?
me Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 so are you telling me a club must allow anybody into there club even if that person burned down there club hut and was convicted in a court of law still reckon you would need a proposer and a seconder and you will not be breaking any lottery rule's No Bart lad I am not saying that (see my earlier post) but if people are reasonable decent people and are willing to abide by the rules of the club which are "legal" then you ARE NOT ALLOWED to refuse membership if you want a grant from the lottery and that seems fair to "me". Why should someone be refused because they are member of a particular organisation for instance?
me Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 they are holding another meeting in march,,,,,far to late for a youngster to hang on ,, not knowing ,,,,and possibly a delay tactic im sure the father will take the matters further ,,,,but what a fuss ,,,just to let a young lad in ,,,no need for it at all[/quote Hi Jimmy Have to disagree The applicant is a minor and the laws have to be abide by A minor must be accompanied by an adult Also the club must have a child protection officer to which the minor can confide if any abuse has been made towards him This would mean taking to his father or person made responsible for the minor whilst at the club Accepting a minor is not strait forward Cheers Homer 49 Just as well naebody bothered about this rubbish when I took up the doos!
jimmy white Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Posted January 13, 2008 aye Ian i bet the constitution say must be proposed and seconded even eleven year old boys so really the club are not breaking any rules even the awards for all must have read there constitution but me is right we need more youngster's i cant keep pigeons going myself when all you auld yins are dead ;D yes your right bart the awards for all would need to read their consitution [the clubs] but,, and more importantly ,,,the club must read and agree to the lottery constitution rules i,e" a grant for all" and some of these rules are in fact conflicting to the shu rules ,,quite simply if the lottery rules are broken , they [the lottery can seize any assets to the amount given] so this is where we must tread carefully ,,,but the simple thing would be just to let the lad in and race his birds ,,,,who knows his grandad might take an interest think he wants to get an 8 by 6 loft there if hes allowed
ch pied Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 they are holding another meeting in march,,,,,far to late for a youngster to hang on ,, not knowing ,,,,and possibly a delay tactic im sure the father will take the matters further ,,,,but what a fuss ,,,just to let a young lad in ,,,no need for it at all[/quote Hi Jimmy Have to disagree The applicant is a minor and the laws have to be abide by A minor must be accompanied by an adult Also the club must have a child protection officer to who the minor can confide if any abuse has been made towards him This would mean taking to his father or person made responsible for the minor whilst at the club Accepting a minor is not strait forward Cheers Homer 49 never looked at that side of the coin (,the minor ), aspect , take them both in the club , they are novice's , IHU RULE'S a novice can join up untill the first y/bird race, are the SHU the same
Guest karl adams Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 i think the start of young bird races is the best time for a novice to start raceing
Guest IB Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 According to Homer49's post it seems its not a straight forward thing for a young person to join a club nowadays? Also if there was any problem with the application then surely the club Secy would send out a letter, or contact the lad's family explaining what that problem was and how it can be solved?
ch pied Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 i think the start of young bird races is the best time for a novice to start raceing i agree ,let them find their feet
superstar Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 i think the start of young bird races is the best time for a novice to start raceing Your right in a way but what if there is a good deal of money spent and then get turned down? Personally I wouldnt advise anyone to invest till they were sure they were in a club as I have seen these goings on moe than once. OK if you just want to keep pigeons but if the idea is to race then isnt worth taking the chance brass dont grow on trees!
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