Poor Performance

[Tony C]

The nearer the top you get the harder its to find that minute or two that makes all the difference but when someone's constantly 5+ minutes behind what advice would you give them.

[Guest Vic]

Spew it! lol. No, all jokes aside. I honestly think that more diseases are present, these days since we started innoculating our birds , because of the Paramyxo outbreak, all them years ago. At the end of the day we will all suffer, through being so complacent at the time. YET SOME ARE STILL SQUEEZING OUR BALLS! CAN'T THESE BA?TARDS GET ENOUGH OUT OF US?    

[Beanz]

Tony,

          I think the first  thing you have to look at is are the pigeons good enough and then move on to the other issues.

 

 

                                                                       Paul

[Guest Vic]

I have sent tonight. To  a wednesday race, from Ludlow. 22 darkened ybs and 8  (just gone off

the squeaker stage) Only been trained 10 mile, but always there when I got back.A super optimist, some may say. I'll telll you guys tomorow.

[Lennut Tar]

I have sent tonight. To  a wednesday race, from Ludlow. 22 darkened ybs and 8  (just gone off

the squeaker stage) Only been trained 10 mile, but always there when I got back.A super optimist, some may say. I'll telll you guys tomorow.

 

I will be waiting  ;D ;D ;D here !!!!!!! to see how you go   ;) seeing as your one of those sprint specialists   :) on this site.

Enjoy, & I hope you have a quick trap.

 

 

[just ask me]

thats a hard one to answer on average id say its the birds are not suited to the distance or just not good enough really to answer this one u would have to see the all the circumstances of the fl yer like i was out of the sport for a few year and when i came back i was asked by a few fanicers what was i doing wrong i am so far behind but what i found was the sport has moved on and they were doing the same thing they were doing years ago buy introduce new birds too willing to try new things what i am trying to say is always try new things if u are doing the same thing as last year u are standing still weather that be changing re system a little  trying a new pair in your stock loft changing your loft to make the air flow better trying a new feed really its a over all thing  it really is a hard one to answer

[Merlin]

In my shoes,if this was to happen, I would look at general Health of Birds,Motivation,Feeding system,if the reason is not found among these three,would try a different bird.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Sprint/club racing = motivation and a health issue. +

 

National/distance = Mediocre pigeons and a health issue. +

[JOHNNY WISHBONE]

First things first. You start with the loft, suitable for light/heat, free from draughts, dampness etc, then the system or distances you intend racing, then the stock suitable for your intended racing, once you've done that then the health issue, finally you take the biggest look at yourself. Are you up to the commitment of the job? Mistakes will be made but as long as you learn from them. This is only the start to maybe WINNING. Good Luck.

[just ask me]

Sprint/club racing = motivation and a health issue. +

 

National/distance = Mediocre pigeons and a health issue. +

 

so that that mean u can win sprint races with bad birds  cant belive that

[tomm1e]

Think fitness should be added to that list. All those other factors might be in place, ie quality pigeons, healthy and motivated; but if they are not super fit they will not win races.

[Guest IB]

Its a very difficult one to answer, and solve. 'Changing to improve' is a good thing but brings its own problems; if you don't really know what is 'wrong', you might change one of the things you've actually got right, and instead of going forward, find yourself falling further back.

 

Like the other posts say, start right back at the beginning: loft, ventilation, hygiene, pigeons, management (not just feeding & training), tick off the things you are happy with, and flag those that you are not, why and what you need to do about it/them. No hurry, close season ain't that far away.

[tom corrie]

decent birds poor fancier

[just ask me]

dont take me up wromg when i meen changes not for the sake of chances but allways do something that u think will improve your system feed birds things like that u should allways be looking to improve as around me if u dont impove ure not standing still ure actually going backwards just keep in mind to try and make 1 change every year at least what i try to do its a bit of hard work and u need the space i split my team in two and try 2 different feeding systems  and see what the results are just things like that even though my ventalation was working really good 2 years ago i could see this with a ciggie in the loft or a smoke bomb i still changed it last year and it was even better i know this could have worked out worse and that has happened to me too but at least im not sitting down at night wondering will that work . just some toughts

[OLDYELLOW]

poor performance is down to the following things :

1) Fancier / management

2) Poor Quality birds

3) Location

4) Drag of the fed

5) Wind Direction

6) Poor ventilation

7) Overcrowding

8) Birds not been able to rest

9) Feeding

10) Watering

11) Bad Observation

12) Lack of Immunity in loft / illness

13) Over treating

[Guest spin cycle]

Think fitness should be added to that list. All those other factors might be in place, ie quality pigeons, healthy and motivated; but if they are not super fit they will not win races.

 

i agree.

[steve d]

overfeeding/underfeeding  in a lot of cases. i know of a few fanciers who stick to a feed system regardless of wind direction. if weekend races are approaching with fast tail winds they feed an ounce and half a day and when its hitting them hard on the nose its the same amount again.

when you ask them why it is because that is what there system says. My system is simple there is an hopper of widowhood corn in front of them and they take what they please, they will only take what they need and because of this they are fed for the job. ;)

[Roland]

Well Steve I agree mostly ... but your birds must be smarter than mine, because mine don't know what I have in store for them, or where I am sending them. Most important if you are a distance man is to get the bird to have a 'Fat' reserve. Sure any bird can do the short middle distance. But the art is still having them lean mean and ready to run ... the race you have in store for them.

[Guest]

Impossible to say when you can't see the full picture. Its obviously going to be one of the management routine items, health, feeding, motivation, or just inferior birds. But without other information how can you point to what the specific cause is. It would be a case of process of elimination, take one item, make sure it is correct, if no improvement move on. This is a process that most top fanciers take in their route to the top, some taking many years, and other fanciers never getting it right and certainly the thing that sorts the men from the boys!!

[Roland]

Mostly true ... But I know for a fact that when the fuel runs out, the machine stops.

Pigeons also fly - have to, with a reserve fuel in tow. - To compenate any sudden adversions that they may have to take, besides the raptures. Now with half a tank of fuel the machine can more than cope with any short / middle distance journey. It's like when the 'Wind is gone' the body dies.

True in all and ever walk of life.

[Roland]

poor performance is down to the following things :

1) Fancier / management

2) Poor Quality birds

3) Location

 

Will have to say I agree with that....  But Codition is everything

This is what you get when everything is right, all the parts coming together. Contentment, Health, Motivation then becomes apart of etc. etc. So No 1 is Conditions. They say - and rightly so - that unhealthy birds will get beat by Paper Backs on a windy day.

So as fit men train to get fitter, one has to BECOME fit first before training etc.

[steve d]

Well Steve I agree mostly ... but your birds must be smarter than mine, because mine don't know what I have in store for them, or where I am sending them. Most important if you are a distance man is to get the bird to have a 'Fat' reserve. Sure any bird can do the short middle distance. But the art is still having them lean mean and ready to run ... the race you have in store for them.

 

i did forget to add these pigeons are never put across channel they race from 85 miles to 180 miles ;)