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[Guest chrisss]

Like to pick up on a point made early.

Regards Joe61 and him having a vendetta for a person being banned on here.

I can't remember Timbarra getting banned, nor the posts leading up to it.

Must be a dizzy age thing. But I will I speak as I find.

It is disgraceful that he was banned, - may have had warnings etc, who knows, who cares.

But that fella took more than his fair share of crap and abuse. The very things that certain ones DID to him, and now spouting like the clappers about folks that do it!!!

So he sold a few birds, so he wasn't racing at the moment SO WHAT! he was up front, but nigh everything he said was nit picked. Never mind But.. If... it  was, unfair from the start... If my Aunt had balls she'd been my uncle! springs to mind. It did escalate, and continued to do so. But those who were doing the nit picking were DOING exactly what this site is now trying to condemn!

Yes I know a couple had a ding dong with him, both more than capable of holding their own! And they weren't novices, or new comers. And they more than held their own.

Heard he was more than a bit strong with a post! So knock the post off and telling to leave it! Golly there is a very large amount indeed of posts removed, but don't see any of them banned.

have I met Timbarra? Yes. Did I, or do I like the fella? Well I could take him or leave him. Not my cup of tea regards socalising I'd say. Never be a bed mate and that's for sure. But he deserved better, and should never have been banned from what I saw of his posts... A pendelum swings both ways to work!

But the pack followers certainly did more than snap at the tail, and that's fer shure!

 

 

you say that you cannot remember timbarra having been banned on one bit, then you say that it is disgracful that he was banned on another bit, i do not know why the guy was banned for,he is not on site to reply,so its not fair on him,i could not comment on that aspect,as for joe 90 having a vendetta on behalf of anyone banned from this site,again only a general comment since he is not on site, i feel that he has a problem with site ,i have as yet never seen one post that has been of use to anyone outside of monty python[and not even funny at that]the last thing i need nor want is a war with a respected member such as yourself ,but if you had recieved any of the hate mail that some guys got [including me] you would understand  what the problem was, i have never had a personal problem with timbarra, i do not like him [based only on his posts i will admit],his use of a charity auction was a screaming disgrace,as for joe 90 [his dad] that man i do have a problem with [for whats thats worth!!!!]his actions to me are based solely around disruption to the site and if he can get anyone "done" god what a bonus!!! it is not a case of been thin skinned or anything like it, this site is the best by far on the web and i feel its been ruined by some of the posts, i do not wish to start a row with anyone over this we all have a view on the rights and percieved wrongs of the site,and sorry to have named anyone but in the context of the post i had no choice

[Roland]

never thought i'd disagree with 1 of rolands posts...but i do. as for dovescots father/son thing ...it sounds like the father is out for revenge (are you endorsing revenge). if i behaved  badly my father he would soon bring me up sharp. whilst your input is wise dovescot you do seem to have to have a personal problem with the moderators. well having disagreed with 2 of the sites biggest hitters it's the bunker for me....nice knowing you

 

:P ;D ;D  isn't that just it! That surely is the beauty of having, or being a 'Free Moral' agent / approach! Of course it is. Why should it be that one is expected, or even relied upon by some, to agree with certain ones on every thing! Of course one can't, especially if one wants to be true to themselves.

Why I once posted that certain 'Posters' have an agenda, others beckon for moral support. Fine for some. OTHERS wish to just stand up and be counted, regardles whether Tom, Dick or Harry agrees or supports or not.. I hope I never resort to asking, expecting others support for my views.

Was once ( Just ythe once) when it was thought I'd made a mistake... but that was the mistake, for I'd never made it lol

As for Joe61 being Timbarra's dad, well I don't know, niether care. If he is, Then I believe that most, regardless, would have a pop back when viable. Further, if I was able to highlight 'Rules, decorum, for one, and not for others.

Why, that's why I'd never sent anyone to the corner ... without a Duncy's hat. ;D ;D

[Guest chrisss]

 

:P ;D ;D  isn't that just it! That surely is the beauty of having, or being a 'Free Moral' agent / approach! Of course it is. Why should it be that one is expected, or even relied upon by some, to agree with certain ones on every thing! Of course one can't, especially if one wants to be true to themselves.

Why I once posted that certain 'Posters' have an agenda, others beckon for moral support. Fine for some. OTHERS wish to just stand up and be counted, regardles whether Tom, Dick or Harry agrees or supports or not.. I hope I never resort to asking, expecting others support for my views.

Was once ( Just ythe once) when it was thought I'd made a mistake... but that was the mistake, for I'd never made it lol

As for Joe61 being Timbarra's dad, well I don't know, niether care. If he is, Then I believe that most, regardless, would have a pop back when viable. Further, if I was able to highlight 'Rules, decorum, for one, and not for others.

Why, that's why I'd never sent anyone to the corner ... without a Duncy's hat. ;D ;D

 

at the end of the day i think we can all agree on one thing [maybe the only thing]this site should be about pigeons not people, i will still maintain that there are people with a agenda, but thats the same everywhere is it not? time to put this one to bed

[ChrisMaidment08]

amen before someone mentions me

[Guest chrisss]

i have the same problem mate [pot calling the kettle black]

[Roland]

Sorry bewted, never saw your post, was busy spouting off I guess... Then I just saw the follow up. Let me assure you, I wasn’t even aware of any views of yours in these regards, so I will just say in response to the query that I've have had a couple or so of members have a real pop at me via private mail. I just sent my postal address.

Further if he did that, then name and shame him when it happened I guess. You can ask for all and any 'private massages’ from any member to be de barred from getting to you for starters. Best way around the personal thing I'd reckon.

I remember well when Vic first came on here. He was having a pop or two here and there. Was an upsurge to have him banned in no time at all. I believe I was the first to say leave him be. Some 'Monitors' of the site were very strongly all for him being removed permanently.

I had a go, as did Allbear very soon afterwards to leave him be, say he was / could be of a good thing.

Vic is Vic, take him, leave him, or ignore him.

I argued that he had a lot of knowledge and his input could well be valuable etc.

Any way he disappoints me in that regard, as he never passes on much n the way of knowledge. But  he has a great wealth of it, a great mind and a wicked wit, so we gain in that respect I suppose.

But in helping, as I felt he could, and I feel he has a lot more to offer, but doesn't... perhaps we should ban him too. ;D ;D

I also believe that  - if memory serves me correct, that Timbarra was banned for a month - I.e. four weeks!.... Well it has been a few more weeks (Months in fact) since then. So inline with that, HE SHOULD be back on board. Or are we to believe that if certain ones don't want, the Richard won't do? REGARDLESS of the said terms. Indeed can that, or should they be changed willy nilly to suit some...!

Personally couldn't give a fickled rat's *expletive removed*, but right is right, fair is fair, and those spout for it aren't up in arms to reinstate Timbarra though and the rules are apparently being sauce for Goose alone on this matter.

So where is the REAL matter of 'Rights and Wrongs'. Just where is the line and who decides where and when the goal posts can be moved to suit.

Before any anyone can ask for a 'Just and right' view surely this injustice should be at the top of the list to be put right.... Otherwise the very essence of anything and every thing has no credence.

[ch pied]

4 week ban ,, in that case he has served his time , so to speak .

 

[DOVEScot]

never thought i'd disagree with 1 of rolands posts...but i do. as for dovescots father/son thing ...it sounds like the father is out for revenge (are you endorsing revenge). if i behaved  badly my father he would soon bring me up sharp. whilst your input is wise dovescot you do seem to have to have a personal problem with the moderators. well having disagreed with 2 of the sites biggest hitters it's the bunker for me....nice knowing you

 

I do not think "revenge" is called for when someone is treated fairly, but it is a different situation when someone is miffed because of unfair treatment. How can I have a personal problem with someone I don't know personally, I do have problems with members on the site that tell lies or make statements about me on an open forum whether they are moderators or not, I don't think moderators are above criticism just because they hold that post especially if they join in on the postings :-/

Nobodies perfect not even me ask anyone ;) But I will stand up for anything I think is right :-/

[Guest spin cycle]

i to think its time to put 'this one to bed'. i also stand up for what i think is right...no 'witchhunts'...but also no revenge just because we 're 'miffed'. the irony of this thread is that it started as an attempt to bar a 'father' but could end with the re-instatement of the 'son'. i'm not posting on this thread anymore.

[gangster]

4 week ban ,, in that case he has served his time , so to speak .

 

wrong he re appeared as  dog and thats why heaint on he broke the rules and contrary 2 what some might think it was richards decision on him no matter what joe tells anyone!!!!!!!

[gangster]

i personally dont care either way if he gets reinstated

[Guest racer]

i think this topic should be locked now gone on long enough :X :X

[joe61]

hi people i dont want to argue or fight any more on this topic i was led tobeleive it was a 4 week ban chrisss you talk about hate mail in your post it was not from me will you clarifi this  and chrisss my very first post on pb was you need money to buy top birds and it got ripped to bits by some on here evry post timbarra has posted some have tried to discredit it for some reason the post on the de dobbler pigeons he said they had pedigrees gangster said they did not as he did not as he did not get any with his his own fault dont ask you dont get that started and finnished in a mess he put on a result from portugal that was rubbished on pb put it on pigeon chat he got a few well done why didnt the guys who are members on both site rubbish it on pigeon chat and not on pigeon basics because they new they could get away with it here then when he was banned on here he went to dc lofts new site and low and behold the guys from here turned up on that site and made his life a misery aint that right gangster as you were one of them would people say this was fair ??this matter is now closed i will not reply to any thing after this post  

 

ps i would like richard as a very fair man to hold out the olive branch to timbarra and let bygones be bygones

 

thank you joe61

[DOVEScot]

i think this topic should be locked now gone on long enough :X :X

 

Why does anyone want to lock a thread on a forum, it normally causes other threads to be opened if someone has not had their say on the matter.

Do we lock it because "we" have had our say on the matter or it is because "we" have heard enough, then don't read it any more but at least leave open to debate the issue  :-/

[DOVEScot]

hi people i dont want to argue or fight any more on this topic i was led tobeleive it was a 4 week ban chrisss you talk about hate mail in your post it was not from me will you clarifi this  and chrisss my very first post on pb was you need money to buy top birds and it got ripped to bits by some on here evry post timbarra has posted some have tried to discredit it for some reason the post on the de dobbler pigeons he said they had pedigrees gangster said they did not as he did not as he did not get any with his his own fault dont ask you dont get that started and finnished in a mess he put on a result from portugal that was rubbished on pb put it on pigeon chat he got a few well done why didnt the guys who are members on both site rubbish it on pigeon chat and not on pigeon basics because they new they could get away with it here then when he was banned on here he went to dc lofts new site and low and behold the guys from here turned up on that site and made his life a misery aint that right gangster as you were one of them would people say this was fair ??this matter is now closed i will not reply to any thing after this post  

 

ps i would like richard as a very fair man to hold out the olive branch to timbarra and let bygones be bygones

 

thank you joe61

 

Timbara used to post things on the site and rather than debate them he had a habit of threatening people with legal action, personally this was the only issue I had with him :-/

[DOVEScot]

i to think its time to put 'this one to bed'. i also stand up for what i think is right...no 'witchhunts'...but also no revenge just because we 're 'miffed'. the irony of this thread is that it started as an attempt to bar a 'father' but could end with the re-instatement of the 'son'. i'm not posting on this thread anymore.

 

Never advocated Witchhunts or revenged but if you are miffed or feel wronged by someone or something then ofcoarse you will react to it, fight or flight :-/

[Webmaster]

When we're bringing up individuals and it's getting personal that's the time to lock. I know we're in different circumstances here, but that's where we're headed.

 

As there seems to be rumour rife I'll say this. In the case mentioned the member was warned more than once, however seemed not to take heed of these warnings and (with help from others it has to be admitted) still conduct deteriorated. The only step was then to ban for 4 weeks, by which he tried to circumnavigate within a couple of days - again posting the same as before. Therefore the ban stood (as specified in the rules). I have since spoken to the member and he has no desire to return to visit Pigeonbasics.

 

We never wish to go down the road of dishing out warnings, and bans, and what I don't think is appreciated is that we do let a good number of topics run where other forums would have pulled the plug. We don't want to moderate, we don't want to have to wade in, but sometimes it cannot be avoided.

 

Ending on a positive note, there are a few changes in the pipeline that should be rolled out in the next week or so. We've listened, debated, and are always trying to make things that bit better. Hey we're not perfect, but if we were we wouldn't be the same - if you know what I mean

[Roland]

 

Why does anyone want to lock a thread on a forum, it normally causes other threads to be opened if someone has not had their say on the matter.

Do we lock it because "we" have had our say on the matter or it is because "we" have heard enough, then don't read it any more but at least leave open to debate the issue  :-/

 

100% correct, and why is to be 'Locked'? Is it because another view is put forward? This surely ranks of hypocrisy of the highest order, besides an unfair slant, that doesn't suit, being condemned?

Surely this is sour grapes and further bias to achieve own views, right or wrong.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean a right to up, or defame, but surely, if only for the sake of decency topic should be allowed to run their course.

If – often like me lol - it means abiding ones tongue, seeing things in print I / they don't necessarily like, let  alone agree with still being voiced and after I / they said everything I / they can of relevance, then so be it.

But to stop an active topic because it doesn't suit some smacks of bullish and childish behavior.

And as Dovescot so rightly says, locking a topic solves nothing!

Gandhi once said so rightly that the Bigger man, with a stick or gun, may win the argument - because the other can't / daren't carry it further - but in reality it never solves anything. Why! Because they go away silenced, but still believing they are right!  Often with a bad taste in their mouth.

Now it may well be that most times, if let t run it's course, that the outcome is 'Agree to differ'. But you know, both mostly, and most looking in, learn something, or another angle, but get something out of it ... if only in Dovescot case Dandruff lol ;D ;D

 

[DOVEScot]

 

... if only in Dovescot case Dandruff lol ;D ;D

 

I use Wash & Go, never had any dandruff since I was a boy ;D ;D ;D

 

[Guest Vic]

Surely someting missing "up there"? lol.

[bewted]

 

I use Wash & Go, never had any dandruff since I was a boy ;D ;D ;D

 

 

looks like it went and gone !!!    nuff said

[frank-123]

when was that pic taken 20st ago

[Guest Vic]

Goodnight to all, No  bad feelings on my part, Sincerely, Vic.

[Guest chrisss]

hi people i dont want to argue or fight any more on this topic i was led tobeleive it was a 4 week ban chrisss you talk about hate mail in your post it was not from me will you clarifi this  and chrisss my very first post on pb was you need money to buy top birds and it got ripped to bits by some on here evry post timbarra has posted some have tried to discredit it for some reason the post on the de dobbler pigeons he said they had pedigrees gangster said they did not as he did not as he did not get any with his his own fault dont ask you dont get that started and finnished in a mess he put on a result from portugal that was rubbished on pb put it on pigeon chat he got a few well done why didnt the guys who are members on both site rubbish it on pigeon chat and not on pigeon basics because they new they could get away with it here then when he was banned on here he went to dc lofts new site and low and behold the guys from here turned up on that site and made his life a misery aint that right gangster as you were one of them would people say this was fair ??this matter is now closed i will not reply to any thing after this post  

 

ps i would like richard as a very fair man to hold out the olive branch to timbarra and let bygones be bygones

 

thank you joe61

 

no you did send any mail to me hate or otherwise,no more given on this subject from me i will not take  part in making a banned member into a martyr

[Tony C]

Goodnight to all, No  bad feelings on my part, Sincerely, Vic.

 

Nor mine, Goodnight sweetheart :K)    ;D