pest control

[jimmy_84]

come listen to les this guy talks sense on all subjects even if you disagree at first glace once you read over it you will see that what he says is true

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

ugggggggggggggg only joking         they work?

[Tony C]

http://www.rpra.org/Portals/1/RPRA%20Rule%20Book%202008.pdf

page 12

 

116. If a finder is employed as, or carries out

the business of, a pest controller, the owner

shall have the right to request the finder to

dispose of the bird or birds in the same

manner as he deals with feral pigeons which

come into his possession.

[ChrisMaidment08]

yes and not charge owner

[Guest peter.j]

right i dont like to patronise but here goes mr pest man gets paid by the council to dispose of pigeons residing in or on mr councils building , they dont say get them ones but if theyve got a ring on there not ours so mr pest man if he then charges you to dispose of this pigeon that hes already been paid to dispose of is charging twice for one service which again amounts to theft (puke)(puke)(puke)it s enough to make you sick

[ChrisMaidment08]

hear hear

[Guest]

all im trying  [invain]is to tell you that if this so called pest controler has a pigeon of yours just tell the police it was stolen from your loft ,and this pest controler has it and he is trying to charge you to get it back ,altho it is yours and it was stolen ,he should first report any thing he finds to the police [exept wild life .which our pigeons are not because they  have a ownership band on ]that he has found so the owner can get it back ,it is up to you if you want to give a finders fee or not ,it is the law of the land not RPRA law.

[Guest]

and one more thing [the police will have to investergate and go and see him ,and the police are not aloud to leave suspected stolen property with any one so you will get it back free of charge from the police] .NO EXPENCE TO YOU ,AND NO SUSPENTION FOR NOT HAVING IT BACK .

[Leroy]

all im trying  [invain]is to tell you that if this so called pest controler has a pigeon of yours just tell the police it was stolen from your loft ,and this pest controler has it and he is trying to charge you to get it back ,altho it is yours and it was stolen ,he should first report any thing he finds to the police [exept wild life .which our pigeons are not because they  have a ownership band on ]that he has found so the owner can get it back ,it is up to you if you want to give a finders fee or not ,it is the law of the land not RPRA law.

 

Les, I am all in favour of preventing the stray catchers from making money from our birds, BUT you cannot report a stray bird as stolen if it is not stolen, that is perverting the course of justice, and wasting police time - both are criminal offences. The police will be aware that you have not previously reported your loft being broken into until you are suddenly asked for money for a bird's return.

 

If he retains your property dishonestly intending to keep or dispose without your consent, then that may be regarded as theft, and yes, you can involve the police.

[ChrisMaidment08]

i withdraw all my comments on this thread as im upsetting peaple

[Guest]

 

Les, I am all in favour of preventing the stray catchers from making money from our birds, BUT you cannot report a stray bird as stolen if it is not stolen, that is perverting the course of justice, and wasting police time - both are criminal offences. The police will be aware that you have not previously reported your loft being broken into until you are suddenly asked for money for a bird's return.

 

If he retains your property dishonestly intending to keep or dispose without your consent, then that may be regarded as theft, and yes, you can involve the police.

i would simply say that i did not report it at the time because the police would not bother to take any notice but now it has come to light and i have found out where it is ,i am reporting it now ,and dont try to preach about honisty especialy where the police are concernd ,of course they have never perverted the course of justice ,any way it would simply be my property and i lost it ,makes no diference i am still entitled to it back free of charge ,same law applies wether it is a gold ring or a pigeon ring IT BELONGS TO ME AND NO ONE ELSE end of story.

 

 

[Roland]

http://www.rpra.org/Portals/1/RPRA%20Rule%20Book%202008.pdf

page 12

 

116. If a finder is employed as, or carries out

the business of, a pest controller, the owner

shall have the right to request the finder to

dispose of the bird or birds in the same

manner as he deals with feral pigeons which

come into his possession.

 

Very interesting that. andthat's fer sure.

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

all im trying  [invain]is to tell you that if this so called pest controler has a pigeon of yours just tell the police it was stolen from your loft ,and this pest controler has it and he is trying to charge you to get it back ,altho it is yours and it was stolen ,he should first report any thing he finds to the police [exept wild life .which our pigeons are not because they  have a ownership band on ]that he has found so the owner can get it back ,it is up to you if you want to give a finders fee or not ,it is the law of the land not RPRA law.

Just wondering Les who the Police would believe if you told them that your bird had been stolen,where as the stray catcher is employed by his local council to catch strays.

[joe61]

tony c went and looked at  the rule book he made it simple a man with a brain what can i say about the rest of you theres more cowboys on here than in the OK CORRALL yippee i oh

 

oh happy days

[steve d]

Well,well,well, Mr Gollings. In 1994 as a 16 year old novice I had a bird reported by him I went to collect it from his shop 2 times only to find it not there, he claimed he kept them elsewhere and I should have had the courtesy to phone first. I explained the letter I recieved from the RPRA had the shop address on and it should have been there, I told him I aint coming for it again...he then threatened me with suspension, i would have to pay him X amount and all that bullsh*t . I did exactly has Les has been trying to get you to understand I phoned the police and reported the matter I telephoned the prat and told him what I done, result never heard from him again.

2 years ago happens ago with another bird, I took the chance and  just ignored the letter, he reports it again this time I reply telling him he aint getting a penny as he has already been paid by someone to remove the bird. He sends me a letter back with a photocopy of a cheque for several hundred pound of his qoute " A FANCIER JUST LIKE YOURSELF WHO THOUGHT HE WAS CLEVER ".  He threatens me with solicitor action to which I told him I would welcome a court case. He claimed any more he made was given to charity I asked him which one has I would write out a cheque direct to them, he refused to tell me which one so i told him to get stuffed, another happy result   :) :) :)

[Guest]

Just wondering Les who the Police would believe if you told them that your bird had been stolen,where as the stray catcher is employed by his local council to catch strays.

if it is reported as theft it has to be investergated by the police it does not mater who they belive if i have not sold any proprerty beloning to me it is still mine ,and there is a law that  any body that has in their posesion property they have beloning to some one else that they have not reported to the police or direct to the owner that they have found it ,they  will be charged with theft by finding .[put it this way if i got some thing belonging to you ,CAN I KEEP IT WITH OUT YOUR CONSENT OR A BILL OF SALE ],why o why do others keep on asking daft questions ,i can be employed by some one to go around grabing things that dont belong to me does that make me beyond the law .

 

 

[Guest]

tony c went and looked at  the rule book he made it simple a man with a brain what can i say about the rest of you theres more cowboys on here than in the OK CORRALL yippee i oh

 

oh happy days

so if the RPRA put in their rule book   that you cant drive your car on a monday and wednesday  you would abide by their rule woud you ,they dont make the laws of the country ,phone them up and ask them if i am right that the pigeon regesterd in my name is my property and no one elses ,and if you found it am i entitled to it back ,or do you become the new owner ,if they say you can keep it then i will do you and them for theft.like i say the RPRA is not a law unto its self they to have to abide by the laws of the country .ATB to you FONZY [happy days ] JOHN WAIN and his 10 galon hat that fits his head full of knowledg.

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

as far as i am aware if its got your ring on its yours,therefore he is holding on your bird without permission from the owner,if you feel like a fight it could be a test case

[PIGEON_MAN]

hi all

i have had a letter though the rpra about 1 of my birds been found by a pest controller in the letter from the rpra it says refer rule 116 i can ask the pest controller to dispose of it but in the letter from the rpra there is a form from the pest people sating i must send the £5.00 plus vat

but in the rules it says nothing about this has any one had this happen to them and how did they go on

by the way the all my birds carry id rings so i dont know why the rpra got involved and the pest people did not just phone me

After all that as been written on the thread perhaps Paul can bring us up to date as to how he got on about getting his bird back.

 

[bewted]

yes,,,would be very interesting on an update if there is any ???

[PIGEON_MAN]

hi all

i have had a letter though the rpra about 1 of my birds been found by a pest controller in the letter from the rpra it says refer rule 116 i can ask the pest controller to dispose of it but in the letter from the rpra there is a form from the pest people sating i must send the £5.00 plus vat

but in the rules it says nothing about this has any one had this happen to them and how did they go on

by the way the all my birds carry id rings so i dont know why the rpra got involved and the pest people did not just phone me

Not sure if I missed the outcome of this but if it hasn,t been posted I would be very interested as to what happened.

 

[invalidusername]

They get at least £1 each to restaurants, a stray catcher I knew used to fill the freezer and then they would go of to france. Most were ferels but any unwanted rung birds also went in.

We used to get £5 a bird from the University as they use the livers.

 

Echoes of Burke and Hare :-(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Port_murders

 

 

[john robo]

got my pigeon back. the phantom flyer paid the £5 then put it on the bill. but he knocked £2 off the bill because i had another bird to be picked up not far from the pcs.

[pjc]

wouldn't it be a shame if a bird that had been reported to the police as haveing been stolen found its way into his stray basket!

[ChrisMaidment08]

wouldn't it be a shame if a bird that had been reported to the police as haveing been stolen found its way into his stray basket!

 

an intresting idea lets hope it happens