RPRA changing things for membership.

[Guest karl adams]

so if a person that as caused a lot of trouble and upset in 1 club he can now go to the next club and join then you will have 1 new member and god knows how many will drop out

[Guest karl adams]

if pigeon racing is not classed as a sport can you still get lotto grants.....

[THE FIFER]

 

If a club has good reason for refusing membership think that should be allowed and they should give the reason why they were refused so they can appeal against the decision if it was on grounds that were untrue   Think too many are turned down on who they are or that they are liable to upset the results that is not grounds for refusal far as i see it

 

I agree 100% Rose, but if a person is refused membership to a club, how can he appeal if he is not a member, this is something the unions would have to bring in, that if anyone is refused membership to a club they can apply to the union stating they wrre refused and the union can ask the club in question why,

[ChrisMaidment08]

well its no good exspecting rpra to get it right my case   welsh suspended me then wrote to regon welsh rpra who went along with sus  then rpra said headquarters mr maidment you are not sus but i said i have letter they daid you are not i said i have letter they said you cant be sus because we have not sus you in end i said enough and packed in i then get told im sus then im not so god knows the trouble any rule they bring out will work oh in meantime confederation said no you are not then yes you are

[Guest karl adams]

but if there is no vote on a member joining a club dose this not put all the blame on the secretory in the eyes of the person if he dose not get in

[THE FIFER]

agree, but I think Rose you have to be a member of a club to appeal, also you have to be a member of the union to do so as well, I think,

[Chairman]

A Homing Society or Pigeon Club, is a private club that has a membership that decides who can be a member or who cant, it has always been this way.Now the problem arises when that club affiliates to a Union, by being affiliated to that Union the club has to accept and abide by that Unions rules.The Club or Homing Society can also have a set of its own domestic rules agreed and propsed by that club/homing societies membership, but must not allow any of these domestic rules to conflict the Union rules.

This new ruling now allows any Tom,Dick or Harry to gain membership whether the members of that club want the applicant in their club or not.I find that if this is the case a lot of the clubs would shut down and a lot more fanciers calling it a day and finishing in the sport which has been a much large part of their lives.It is a sad day when the association you finance ( oh, by the way the subs are to increase to £8 each) is allowed to get away with this dictatorial attitude.Q.Who requested that a rule change was needed dont say it was them lot again who dont fly pigeons.Time we rid ourselves of these charlatans or if that cannot be attained, start a new union as this one is way out of control and no longer listens to the voice of the membership.

[Guest spin cycle]

A Homing Society or Pigeon Club, is a private club that has a membership that decides who can be a member or who cant, it has always been this way.Now the problem arises when that club affiliates to a Union, by being affiliated to that Union the club has to accept and abide by that Unions rules.The Club or Homing Society can also have a set of its own domestic rules agreed and propsed by that club/homing societies membership, but must not allow any of these domestic rules to conflict the Union rules.

This new ruling now allows any Tom,Dick or Harry to gain membership whether the members of that club want the applicant in their club or not.I find that if this is the case a lot of the clubs would shut down and a lot more fanciers calling it a day and finishing in the sport which has been a much large part of their lives.It is a sad day when the association you finance ( oh, by the way the subs are to increase to £8 each) is allowed to get away with this dictatorial attitude.Q.Who requested that a rule change was needed dont say it was them lot again who dont fly pigeons.Time we rid ourselves of these charlatans or if that cannot be attained, start a new union as this one is way out of control and no longer listens to the voice of the membership.

 

i quite agree...whilst there are some good flyers excluded from clubs which is a shame...there are also club wreckers. it takes several good people to make a club..but only one troublemaker to finish it. however i don't think the new wording opens up club membership, it just opens up the application process. application does not mean acceptance.  

[pjc]

the rule change is a step in the right direction but i think it will be ruled out of order due to the ommission of certain parts i.e is the application to be voted on, can an application be refused if the member has previously defaulted etc or do all applications have to be accepted!

 

Any club that has received or is applying for a grant will have provided a club constitution saying that membership will not be refused or they will not get the grant.

 

Phil

[Michael J Burden]

.............Time we rid ourselves of these charlatans or if that cannot be attained, start a new union as this one is way out of control and no longer listens to the voice of the membership.

 

The thing is this is your view that they are not listening to the membership, you are entitled to it. The problem is not all are sharing your view, it would appear that maybe they are listening but disagree with the people who sit on your side of the fence on this issue?

 

[tomm1e]

Can someone explain to me in clear English why a clubs right to

refuse someone membership should make them ineligible for lottery

funding?

[Michael J Burden]

     These are the groups which get grants:-

 

       Not-for-profit organisation or community group - with governing document

 

     Community group (no governing document)

 

     Profit making organisation/private sector

 

     School

 

     Higher or further education institution or college

 

     Parish/town council

 

     Local authority/local education authority

 

     Other statutory organisation

 

     Individual

 

The pigeon clubs are not open to the community, I beleive that the first 2 options maybe fit our application. The clubs have membership rules which can exclude people from joining so do not qualify. There are many other applications from other groups who beat the pigeon fancier clubs applications because you can just obtain membership without jumping through hurddles.

 

You could always try as an individual.

 

 

[Guest strapper]

in any job /committee  any new employees or committee members have to be accepted or voted on, this is been going on thoughout history,

the rpra has to be carefull that they are not breaking european human rights .

the rpra does not pay towards any upkeep of the clubs only rules over them.

just because a club is a member of that union it should be able to have its own rules , as long as its not breaking any human rights or illegal matters then the union should leave the club to run itself.

if this ruling that anyone can join a club then why stop there! can mr jones go to join man utd because he wants to?

can mr jones go to bill gates and tells him im worrking for you come monday?..no...im afraid this new ruling could open up a can of worms and spell major rows in the union and its clubs.

i bet the rpra didnt consult all clubs to accept this new manager with no pigeon racing experience did they?

no they held a meeting to accept this manager , he couldnt just state to them i want the job you cant turn me down because ill appeal to the emploment services, so they are more or less saying do as we say not as we do!!

didnt we get rid of this kind of attitude during world war two?

i feel sorry for those clubs that have been running peacefully for donkeys years, now having to accept just anyone,and im not on about better or stronger fanciers.

 

[Roland]

Clubs are allowed to have their own rules, of course they are, as long as it doesn't conflict with the governing body, I.e. the RPRA which obviously overrides any unlawful club rule. Likewaise with any institute, union or what have you, they have their own rules and guide lines, but can't over ride the Goverments.

[Guest spin cycle]

Clubs are allowed to have their own rules, of course they are, as long as it doesn't conflict with the governing body, I.e. the RPRA which obviously overrides any unlawful club rule. Likewaise with any institute, union or what have you, they have their own rules and guide lines, but can't over ride the Goverments.

 

the problem is in the compulsory rules that all clubs must abide by. the rpra are trying to tweak this bit to allow lotto grants...but i think it may not be enough. the answer (IMO)..is to allow clubs to opt out of these rules provided they stay within the law. foward looking clubs could structure themselves to get grants...of course clubs with less than 25 members could opt out of ets...total freedom for all. at the moment clubs are deemed not 'INCLUSIVE'  enough...and i don't think that any club with a radius would still be eligible even after this change. i could be wrong though.

[Ronnie]

Now i'm not really sure about what is being said here i can understand trouble makers not being wanted in club if the disrupt the running of the club.I cant understand people not being allowed because they fly a good pigeon surely you would want to compete against the best people around and if you didnt how could you judge how good your birds are?

But if people where really that bothered about people joining a club or not couldnt they just make the club an Invitational club only but again no lottery grants.Cake and eating it comes to mind .And people who dont accept others because they are better than them should really look in the mirror and make themselves better.LOL and you wonder why the sport is dieing ive had to reread this thread because i couldnt and still cant believe people are not allowed in clubs because they fly a good bird .I try to stay out of politics because i tend to rave a bit to much so please exscuse me if i have done that here.

[OLDYELLOW]

good post Ronnie , im in an invitation club , and i can understand why it is one im sure that new clubs forming cant be Invitations clubs anymore , the problem we have where we are situated is that if opened up fanciers 2 miles further would join and as our birds tend to fly over more times than not we would be giving these guys like 4 miles every race and besides theres 2 clubs in town , as long as members are in our boundary we accept , my mate kirky was just outside the boundary and on many occasions i would of liked him in my club the more the merrier i say , well we bothed moved and were accepted back in to the invitation club , i cant rember a time when they refused anyone entry whilst i was there as long as they were in the club boundary

[ChrisMaidment08]

in any job /committee  any new employees or committee members have to be accepted or voted on, this is been going on thoughout history,

the rpra has to be carefull that they are not breaking european human rights .

the rpra does not pay towards any upkeep of the clubs only rules over them.

just because a club is a member of that union it should be able to have its own rules , as long as its not breaking any human rights or illegal matters then the union should leave the club to run itself.

if this ruling that anyone can join a club then why stop there! can mr jones go to join man utd because he wants to?

can mr jones go to bill gates and tells him im worrking for you come monday?..no...im afraid this new ruling could open up a can of worms and spell major rows in the union and its clubs.

i bet the rpra didnt consult all clubs to accept this new manager with no pigeon racing experience did they?

no they held a meeting to accept this manager , he couldnt just state to them i want the job you cant turn me down because ill appeal to the emploment services, so they are more or less saying do as we say not as we do!!

didnt we get rid of this kind of attitude during world war two?

i feel sorry for those clubs that have been running peacefully for donkeys years, now having to accept just anyone,and im not on about better or stronger fanciers.

youer club will be chuffed with some aplications from new members ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest]

I have not read anywhere, that the rules concerning the rejection of an applicant due to being a defaulter or an undesirable have changed. It seems to me that as long as this can be proved then the union would support the rejection. The new rule in my opinion, is a good one that will help the many good fanciers to be able to compete in clubs, that were previously being rejected for membership by the weak minded, who regularly prevent access to their clubs to better or stronger flyers. This can only be a good thing, as in my opinion, it is a sporting rule.  

[Guest spin cycle]

good post Ronnie , im in an invitation club , and i can understand why it is one im sure that new clubs forming cant be Invitations clubs anymore , the problem we have where we are situated is that if opened up fanciers 2 miles further would join and as our birds tend to fly over more times than not we would be giving these guys like 4 miles every race and besides theres 2 clubs in town , as long as members are in our boundary we accept , my mate kirky was just outside the boundary and on many occasions i would of liked him in my club the more the merrier i say , well we bothed moved and were accepted back in to the invitation club , i cant rember a time when they refused anyone entry whilst i was there as long as they were in the club boundary

 

4 WHOLE MILES(evil)(evil)....thats the minimum i give,  up to 7 clubwise.....20-35 fed wise.....good post all the same(bunny)

[Guest spin cycle]

I have not read anywhere, that the rules concerning the rejection of an applicant due to being a defaulter or an undesirable have changed. It seems to me that as long as this can be proved then the union would support the rejection. The new rule in my opinion, is a good one that will help the many good fanciers to be able to compete in clubs, that were previously being rejected for membership by the weak minded, who regularly prevent access to their clubs to better or stronger flyers. This can only be a good thing, as in my opinion, it is a sporting rule.  

 

i don't think it will..just because you apply doesn't mean that 'application' has to be succsessful...sorry

[The Game Keeper]

i fly  with the same organisation as old yellow giving that club more than 20 miles overfly dosent bother me looking at velocities good pigeons win anywere

[OLDYELLOW]

im all for competision and i think if you took away the boundarys i think everyone would move to gain advantage of a good loft position , that would do nothing for the sport , im not intersted in club flying realy im more intrested in the fed programme as i'd prefer a good fed card than a club win and if you get both its a bonus  

[Guest]

im all for competision and i think if you took away the boundarys i think everyone would move to gain advantage of a good loft position , that would do nothing for the sport , im not intersted in club flying realy im more intrested in the fed programme as i'd prefer a good fed card than a club win and if you get both its a bonus  

 

The only boundaries i'm against are the "polo mint" boundaries that are put around the lofts of good fanciers within the same village as the club, set purely to keep good fanciers out! My opinion is simply, if you are in the village / town, then as long as you aren't a proven undesirable or defaulter, then you should be allowed in to your local club.   Its the only fair way! You should not be kept out because you race a good bird!

[pjc]

I have not read anywhere, that the rules concerning the rejection of an applicant due to being a defaulter or an undesirable have changed. It seems to me that as long as this can be proved then the union would support the rejection. The new rule in my opinion, is a good one that will help the many good fanciers to be able to compete in clubs, that were previously being rejected for membership by the weak minded, who regularly prevent access to their clubs to better or stronger flyers. This can only be a good thing, as in my opinion, it is a sporting rule.  

 

There is nothing to say anybodys application has to be accepted unless there is good reason to reject it!