E T S rules

[Guest karl adams]

is there a set of rules for E T S if so were can i get a copy

[OLDYELLOW]

rules on R.P.R.A site  

[OLDYELLOW]

http://www.rpra.org/Portals/1/RPRA%20Rule%20Book%202008.pdf

[Roland]

241. The antennae of the ETS must be fitted within the confines of the loft or

trapping systems, not underneath external landing boards.

Club officials may make random checks at any time.

Contravention of this rule will result in disciplinary action under rule 70A.

Now that is how I thought it was yonks ago.

The word 'Confines' as to 'Confined' has a different meaing of course. Now the second part makes no bones of exactly how they should be... or more importantly SHOULDN'T be.

I.e. not underneath external landing boards.

Was the arguement , and rightly so in my oppinion, that with the Pad under an external Landing board a bird could land, and te fly upto the roof for 10 minutes or whatever, but still be timed in. Whereas of course 99% of manual clockers have to catch their birds to take of the rubber, and that means handling.

Never mind the rot that 'I can catch them in the garden... thaey could land on me etc. etc. we ned to be talking realism here.

[Bluedoo]

What if you fit under a piano trap, it is within the confines of the loft?  Though technically an external landing board.

[Michael J Burden]

Never heard of a piano trap would you care to elaborate?

[alex wight]

If you look at it a different way. The bird has to be timed in, when entering the loft, not landing on it. If you use sputniks, the pad can be underneath, but to time the bird in, it must enter the sputnik. Like wise if it lands on the landing board, it hasnt entered the loft as yet. This is what the Scottish Homing Union will tell you. alex.

[Roland]

Don't need much explaining really... has to be contained within the actual Loft / or a flight.

[THE FIFER]

aa simple way to put it really is the bird must be so it cant fly away again, must be in captivaty.

[Guest spin cycle]

aa simple way to put it really is the bird must be so it cant fly away again, must be in captivaty.

 

thats the spirit of the rule....but it is legal to have antennae under loft roof. though expensive and not that practical i admit. also a manual clocker can pick one off landing board..clock and let bird go. IMO a better way would stipulate that the bird on clocking should 'be under control' . removing a race rubber would costitute 'control'....similarly  an antennae would have to be placed in such a way that the bird was not able to fly away immediatly after being clocked. EG the floor of a sputnik is fine but not the landing board.

[Guest cowboy]

floor of a sputnik is not fine as this is out side the loft. it must be fitted within the confines of the loft

[THE FIFER]

floor of a sputnik is not fine as this is out side the loft. it must be fitted within the confines of the loft

 

the floor of the sputnick is ok, as the bird has to drop into the sputnick to clock IE: the bird must be in the confines of the loft,

[Guest cowboy]

they are looking to change the rules as sputnik is out side the loft

[naedoos]

Would have thought sputnik was part of the loft, not outside it jmo :-/

[THE FIFER]

Would have thought sputnik was part of the loft, not outside it jmo :-/

 

it is, just like stalltraps, once the bird is through the bobwires

[naedoos]

 

it is, just like stalltraps, once the bird is through the bobwires

 

so once the bird is through the bob wires it's within the confines of the loft & can then be clocked

[THE FIFER]

 

so once the bird is through the bob wires it's within the confines of the loft & can then be clocked

 

yes. they clock taking rubbers off this way with bobwires,

[Guest spin cycle]

floor of a sputnik is not fine as this is out side the loft. it must be fitted within the confines of the loft

 

rpra rules state 'confines of loft or trapping system' ...to me sputnik floor is fine. perhaps its the 'loft' bit that needs to go and have 'approved trapping system or swipe antennae'

[alex wight]

For clear rules contact your union. As for the sputniks, someone is not reading the explanation properly. Yes sputniks are on the outside of the loft, but when the bird is timed in, its inside that part of the loft. Consideration has to be made to what was available first, sputnik or ets. If it were the case for sputniks to be ruled out, all hell would let loose. Who's changing the rule anyway and why???? It buggers me when lack of thought is put into things like this, in my opinion, alex.

[Guest cowboy]

sputnik is fited to front of loft not in it so the pad can be secured and not moved leveing it open to abuse as some have 2 or more pads

[THE FIFER]

I think the rule should state IE: birds must be in the confine of the loft when clocking,

[Guest spin cycle]

I think the rule should state IE: birds must be in the confine of the loft when clocking,

 

that would do it....much simpler than my idea (dizzy)....mind you perhaps to simple for 'powers that be'

[Guest cowboy]

yes that is what is going to happen as it is open to abuse and some one has found out you can play a round with the chip as well

[alex wight]

Pad to be sealed in place, so that eradicates cheats.

[THE FIFER]

 

that would do it....much simpler than my idea (dizzy)....mind you perhaps to simple for 'powers that be'

 

I think this is what is really meant by confines of loft the bird must be in it to clock, as you can put your antenna under the floor of your sputnick, which is really outside the loft but the bird must be in the sputnick to clock. so yes its the bird that must be in the loft not the antenna so would be simpler to have this as the rule, "bird must be in the confine of the loft,