Treat Or Not

[Guest]

I have decided to go down the road of not treating my pigeons and have not done so since i started keeping pigeons four years ago.Natural immunity is what i am striving for,but at every turn i see fanciers treating for everything.This is their prerogative and every one to their own.But i can honestly say i don't believe its done my birds any harm,nor affected their performance.Would be interested in knowing if there are any other members that have chosen this path.

[andrecrock]

I like to be that convidend!!!!!

 

andrecrock.

[OLDYELLOW]

i havent completely gone down that road but i shy away from medication unless my birds need it and have been prescribed it by a vet , i put a post up earlier on the products i mixed together to achieve no counts of worms , cocci and canker its working for me , weak pigeons i kill there the gateway to disease outbreaks in anyones loft  

 

well for many years i have had counts for canker and cocci  then when i had  worms, worms  was the first i irradicated , first i wormed chemicaly then used mollasses also know as treacle to keep at bay using 2 tablespoons once a week diluted in hot water so was liquid  this had worked so left me with the cocci and canker .

I used to clean out everyday twice a day but the cocci and canker was always there in low counts majority of the time below treatable levels , i also got respirity disease so obviously changed loft treated all sorted won for 2 years on the trot highest prize winner. All this time cleaning and biancoing the floors and boxes on a daily bases .

Since going to Turkey for a holliday this year i was going for a fortnight and had to let my friend look after the birds i put hempcore in the loft , and as i advocate a clean loft i was going to remove this when got back but the condition of the birds made me replace it , the conclusion i come to on seeing the vet was this the birds feet were rougher tougher and harder than that of a bird in a loft without bedding so there feet was less absorbant to the cocci as a result , but by no means the sole reason for not having Cocci .

I have used Orego stim a product i bought to tighten the droppings up so as this doesnt do this greatly i dismissed this product .

On tidying loft up prior to making my widowhood boxes i had a few products left all of which treat these disease/ symptoms , i took a full jar of mollases added this to a 5 litre bottle watered down left for 24hrs then i added half a bottle of cider vinegar ( canker treatment ) the near full bottle of Orego stim ( i had used twice with no great effect ) then topped this up with Aviform Ultimate andd added water shook up , i used 20mls of this to a 8 pint drinker 3 days on and 3 days off but im sure 3 days a week be enough so it works out very cheap to keep everything down , im going to experiment and use the naturline instead of the orego stim as i think will do a better job and is much cheaper , then ill get tested at vets before racing starts  

hope this helps to get your birds 100% as it has mine , but its a combination of alot of things that i have done and most by accident with great effects , all the best mark  

[nogin]

I have decided to go down the road of not treating my pigeons and have not done so since i started keeping pigeons four years ago.Natural immunity is what i am striving for,but at every turn i see fanciers treating for everything.This is their prerogative and every one to their own.But i can honestly say i don't believe its done my birds any harm,nor affected their performance.Would be interested in knowing if there are any other members that have chosen this path.

 

NAW

[Guest kev d]

hi vincent1

ive done that for the past seven seasons , i only worm my birds every two years

and nothing else i dont race yb they are left to grow up in peace and trained up

about six chucks up to 30 miles . i only race in the nfc and since 2004 ive got in the top ten in

sec d 3 times and a couple postions futher down the sec . i flew in the devon and cornwall continental flying club

for two seasons i got two 7th open from lambelle one 12th open isle of wight and two top 20 postions from lambelle as well

not bad for not treating for any thing and only sending a handfull of birds , just good honest birds and common sense

[Guest]

hi vincent1

ive done that for the past seven seasons , i only worm my birds every two years

and nothing else i dont race yb they are left to grow up in peace and trained up

about six chucks up to 30 miles . i only race in the nfc and since 2004 ive got in the top ten in

sec d 3 times and a couple postions futher down the sec . i flew in the devon and cornwall continental flying club

for two seasons i got two 7th open from lambelle one 12th open isle of wight and two top 20 postions from lambelle as well

not bad for not treating for any thing and only sending a handfull of birds , just good honest birds and common sense

 

Well done mate,you have had some great results with the nfc which everyone knows is hard racing.Its refreshing to see another that has not been caught up with treating for everything,and goes to show great results can be achieved without the need of medication.

[thunderboult]

I have decided to go down the road of not treating my pigeons and have not done so since i started keeping pigeons four years ago.Natural immunity is what i am striving for,but at every turn i see fanciers treating for everything.This is their prerogative and every one to their own.But i can honestly say i don't believe its done my birds any harm,nor affected their performance.Would be interested in knowing if there are any other members that have chosen this path.

 

i have gone down that road also and it's not harmed mine, they win or score frequently and more importantly they have not had ybs or any other illness. at the start of the season this year i had them tested (throat swabs+droppings) from stock,young+old racer's and the only thing that showed up was worms in some of them. i did then treat for that. but we topped the fed a week before testing and 2 weeks after. i had them tested for piece of mind,you hear so many things going about. i also think that to many people are giving antibiotics for a performance boost . i think if used only when needed there's no problem but you hear of people giving some form of antibiotic every week which i think is a bad thing.  

[kirky]

I have decided to go down the road of not treating my pigeons and have not done so since i started keeping pigeons four years ago.Natural immunity is what i am striving for,but at every turn i see fanciers treating for everything.This is their prerogative and every one to their own.But i can honestly say i don't believe its done my birds any harm,nor affected their performance.Would be interested in knowing if there are any other members that have chosen this path.

I do the same and the immunity in my birds and the results thay have given me I dont intend to change.

 

[nogin]

 

Well done mate,you have had some great results with the nfc which everyone knows is hard racing.Its refreshing to see another that has not been caught up with treating for everything,and goes to show great results can be achieved without the need of medication.

 

SOMEBODY'S PULLING YOUR STRINGS AGAIN VINNIE M8   :P :P

[Guest kev d]

 

Well done mate,you have had some great results with the nfc which everyone knows is hard racing.Its refreshing to see another that has not been caught up with treating for everything,and goes to show great results can be achieved without the need of medication.

cheers vincent1 for your remarks

i know there not top results for some flyers but i did this with no pills and potions just thing you buy

in the supermarket or chemist and very cheap to do

 

[Guest]

 

SOMEBODY'S PULLING YOUR STRINGS AGAIN VINNIE M8   :P :P

 

From what i can see,i am not alone NOGIN.Maybe you should adopt a new approach. :P

[nogin]

 

From what i can see,i am not alone NOGIN.Maybe you should adopt a new approach. :P

 

TUT TUT VINNIE COOL THE JETS M8

[Guest kev d]

 

From what i can see,i am not alone NOGIN.Maybe you should adopt a new approach. :P

vincent1 its only my opinion

but all this crap they give there birds before breeding and racing in the long run is going to be there down fall

let them get on with it . im happy what im doing my birds are healthy and i dont have sleepless nights about

my birds . stick with it mate you know its the right thing to do

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

cheers vincent1 for your remarks

i know there not top results for some flyers but i did this with no pills and potions just thing you buy

in the supermarket or chemist and very cheap to do

 

mmm

 

 

not exactly a 'no treatment regime' then

 

[Guest]

vincent1 its only my opinion

but all this crap they give there birds before breeding and racing in the long run is going to be there down fall

let them get on with it . im happy what im doing my birds are healthy and i dont have sleepless nights about

my birds . stick with it mate you know its the right thing to do

 

Absolutely mate,it is the only way for me, and have also have some good results in national competition.For me that is were it counts.

[Guest kev d]

 

mmm

 

 

not exactly a 'no treatment regime' then

bicabinate of soda , cider vinager , honey, glucose , tcp the list is endless .

no antibioctics . like i said just my opinion everybody as there way this is mine

 

[Guest]

vincent 1,question,how many times in race season do you test your birds.

[philsreturn]

Glad to see others going down the road of no anti-biotics

there is only one cure for sick pigeons

[Tony C]

This year my stock birds, old birds & young birds not treated for canker or cocci, last years young birds not treated for canker or cocci = this years yearlings & young birds have never been treated for canker or cocci period. All pigeons treated for worms.

 

This year highest prize winner in club, best old bird flyer in fed, best young bird flyer in fed, best flyer in fed.

 

Will I treat next year? I’d like to think I wouldn’t need to but if they had a problem then yes I would treat, I wouldn’t hesitate!

 

The one thing I have learnt about this game is you have to be able to roll with the blows. My philosophy is there’s no right way or wrong way to do things, its more of the case of doing the right things at the right time.

[Guest]

vincent 1,question,how many times in race season do you test your birds.

 

The birds have not been tested for two years,three years ago some young birds were tested and only confirmed what we suspected.But i must add i have guidance from a guy who has been racing pigeons for 50 years,and he is invaluable and to be honest would trust more than a vet.A lot of fanciers put their faith in vets.i will tell you a story about vets,My step sister keeps horses,one day the vet was treating her horses for worms the vet is her friend and also keeps horses.My step father asks him do you worm your horses and he replies no.For me that tells a story in itself.

[frank-123]

vincent

did you treat last year? you did have some great results in the snrpc what was your fed/club results like

i done that maybe three or four years ago never treated wait to your the bottom of the sheet every week then tell me you still won't treat

 

fit and healthy birds win races whether they are naturally healthy or treated  unhealthy  birds wont win

two birds facing a north wind one with canker and cocci the other clear who's your money on  

the top flyers treat and if you want to join them

[Guest]

vincent

did you treat last year? you did have some great results in the snrpc what was your fed/club results like

i done that maybe three or four years ago never treated wait to your the bottom of the sheet every week then tell me you still won't treat

 

fit and healthy birds win races whether they are naturally healthy or treated  unhealthy  birds wont win

two birds facing a north wind one with canker and cocci the other clear who's your money on  

the top flyers treat and if you want to join them

 

Have not treated since i began racing,firstly its has to be decided club or national if i was top of sheet in club/fed i would be amazed.my birds are not trained to compete in club,and with the amount of birds i have, national racing has got my vote although this year have had the most birds since i started and i would expect to fare better in the club. but once again i believe there is a period of form you bring your birds to form for 150 mile race with the fed by the time the big national races come round they are over the top and form has left them.but i say this with respect for my fellow members who put importance on club/fed racing and i respect them in what they wish to achieve,me personally it is the channel races that captivate me,if these races were not there i would not keep pigeons 500 miles plus that is what its about for me.