have to laugh

[just ask me]

when foreign strains birds come up for sale on the site pll putting bids on them when they say on another thread that English strains are better surely they would be keeping there hard earned cash and not spending it on what they belive to be not as good just a thought

[Guest spin cycle]

when foreign strains birds come up for sale on the site pll putting bids on them when they say on another thread that English strains are better surely they would be keeping there hard earned cash and not spending it on what they belive to be not as good just a thought

 

like all things ...branding is all....you have to be very strong to resist the lure.

[ChrisMaidment08]

or if you see bird that is miles better than you have seen inlong time and you have use for it ;)

[robbiedoo.]

i saw a article on strains last week someone put on that somebody was winning with ritchie and whyte birds over in holland i spoke to bob whyte about it yesterday does anybody remember reading this if so could u let me know so i could tell bob please.

[Merlin]

 

 

 

Pigeons are, pigeons are pigeons,strains have nothing to do with it,they don't exist per se,the continentals take their birds usually from winning lines,when they get inside their loft unlike ourselves,they are theirs,,case in point,Staf Van Reet gets a bird from Jansenn,its now a Staf Van Reet,Jansenn Lines,its progeny are Staf Van Reets,Joe Blogs on this side gets a bird from Jansenn,and its progeny is called a Jansenn for evermore,there are two kinds of birds likewise fabciers,good and not so good.

[kirky]

i saw a article on strains last week someone put on that somebody was winning with ritchie and whyte birds over in holland i spoke to bob whyte about it yesterday does anybody remember reading this if so could u let me know so i could tell bob please.

if thay are winning with his birds over in holland thay wont say so, now thay will be there own breed so thay can sell them back to us.

 

[OLDYELLOW]

when foreign strains birds come up for sale on the site pll putting bids on them when they say on another thread that English strains are better surely they would be keeping there hard earned cash and not spending it on what they belive to be not as good just a thought

 

no such thing as a real British strain there only British by the racing and training here , i was an advocate of keeping just British strains but once you look deeper theres more foreign birds in them than anything , so i have gone down the the good bird route buy good birds theres no such thing as a good strain theres good and bad in every loft even the champion top flyers carry crap , its just they carry far more better pigeons due to good selection stocksmanship and racing eliminating inferior birds. Buy good birds forget strains , you'l get more of a hybrid vigour and create a greater more vast pool of winning genes to hit from

[gangster]

 

no such thing as a real British strain there only British by the racing and training here , i was an advocate of keeping just British strains but once you look deeper theres more foreign birds in them than anything , so i have gone down the the good bird route buy good birds theres no such thing as a good strain theres good and bad in every loft even the champion top flyers carry crap , its just they carry far more better pigeons due to good selection stocksmanship and racing eliminating inferior birds. Buy good birds forget strains , you'l get more of a hybrid vigour and create a greater more vast pool of winning genes to hit from

i agree with you there old yellow

 

[OLDYELLOW]

once we get away from keeping strains of pigeons and keeping just good birds of our own strain then we will have the highbrid vigour and far better birds , and far more so called British strains as they will have losted there tag of origin  

[stan p]

robbiedoo

             i saw article on ritchiey@whyte birds winning in holland

                                                                                 stan

[Guest]

I think the key is to ignore strain and look for type. To expalin my view I'll take the example of the old British 500/600 mile north roaders and the Jan Aarden / Van Geels. The old brits most weeks flew into head winds with SW being the predominant wind in the Northern hemisphere. The birds became hardy winning on the long distance often at 1000 ypm and less. In the 70s 80s fanciers started to import pigeons from Belgium and Holland more the sprinters, they were fast and then the distance stuff started coming over. And in the late 80's early 90's  another subtle change occurred north road racing became unpopular. I would suggest playing devils advocate that North road racing was lost because of the introduction of the continental breeds.

Let me come back to type, look at the terrain and conditions the Barcelona pigeons have to fly in compared to the old brits that flew down in to the West Midlands, Wales and central and SW England.

1 No water to cross.

2 Often a  helping SW wind.

3 Feather type more suited to dry conditions on the continent.

 

As a generalisation from a perspective of flying from Lerwick on the -1000 ypm day the continentals had bred such pigeons out of their lofts, why? Well because they would never win for them because such conditions don't prevail on the continent. For me that's one of the reasons why north road has died these continental types can not hack it, however on the south road they are a very good bird. The top fanciers those trying to develop strains have realised this.I think Chris Gordon is the classic example, he has used as the base of his long distance birds the Eric Fox pigeons, pigeons that won for many years on good hard days at the distance. They had developed the endurance and feather quality to win in our maritime climate. And he has crossed them with birds of the Busschaert strain from Pearson & Dransfield which have added the speed  and feather type of the continental strains.

In conclusion my opinion is that its far more important to select on type, breed is irrelevant. As many know from past years on this site I use the eye to select by type. But I know of many fanciers including my ex partner Henry who is very good at judging type by handling the bird. I would suggest anyone flying pigeons take note of the difference in type of those from 'sprint' origin and I mean those that only win at sprint and have never gone on when tested at the distance, and 'long distance' origin, and with observation you should be able to select by velocity too!

[Guest casbri]

merlin you are exactley right about the breeds i 100% agree

[peterpau]

No particular strains kept here, just birds than can keep coming all day and then some more. I would look favourably on the birds from the north however, but that don't mean I would not look at Dutch birds, after all they have the same distance to fly from Barcelona as me. There are Kirky's in Peterhead I would like and the only problem for me would be transport.

[just ask me]

 

no such thing as a real British strain there only British by the racing and training here , i was an advocate of keeping just British strains but once you look deeper theres more foreign birds in them than anything , so i have gone down the the good bird route buy good birds theres no such thing as a good strain theres good and bad in every loft even the champion top flyers carry crap , its just they carry far more better pigeons due to good selection stocksmanship and racing eliminating inferior birds. Buy good birds forget strains , you'l get more of a hybrid vigour and create a greater more vast pool of winning genes to hit from

 

would complety agree with you the point i was making was i got a lot of stick on another thread when i said that the belguim birds are ahead  i hot stick  off certain members but yet when they come for sale on the thread there in with there hard earned cash  :-/