Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 E.T’s One gets peeved with the same ole repetitious out cry and the needless defence of the ET.s clocking and it benefits. We hear them regardless, whether relevant to the topic or not! Gosh just watch them come out the woodwork! Think about it! :-/ :-/ It make’s it easier, birds still have to home, never know how they use to cope with out one. Etc. etc. :o Yes please feel free to fill this page, and the next one up with the great benefits .... May be someone still in the 'Dark ages' that runs down the 2 mile lane to clock in their' mates!! Pss! Pss! Dumbo and friends hark here. THAT has never been in doubt, nor contention, Now THAT is a fact. And likewise 90% or more of the constant needless drivel that comes down the shoot with it! :B :B :B Some one says ‘A few have packed up, -Like Mike Lycett say – and states why ‘I don’t agree with the way it has been illegally forced through… Further I always said I WOULD PACK up if it came in’! Simple that eh! No, I remember like most honest posters here the crap scenarios they came up with that ‘WERE the real reason’! 'They were/ would have packed up any way'! :-/ :-/ May be they used the same crystal ball and saw their phlight and unfair advantage it would give the Et OVER those that could, can't have one! :( Or. They when thay say 'I can’t afford it…'. Codswallop abounds ‘You could if you wanted to… bet you still have a couple of pints, or more when at the club – Well I’ll bet he still has to pay his mortgage and clothe and feed the kids etc. WHILST trying to keep her in doors happy with out spending another £600 (with rings) to compete. then, it’s crap like ‘Well have less birds, get a partner etc. etc. Get a cheaper house eh! Stop the kids having football games, and designer wear!!! Etc. etc. eh!! Too many stupid crap scenarios abound with out even bothering to write 40 or more here. But the ‘Pro Mob still offer stupid sayings like how to clock faster and better to be as quick time 6/ - 10 – 20 birds that land and go in as one! Now a good fancier asked this season regards a real close finish… a fraction of a yard! ‘If I had a ET would I have won’? Well for anyone interested the answer was ‘Nigh certainly. AND he goy his’ bird home. Never mind silly excuses and reasons, if two / three lofts are nigh a side of each other, and they all trap at same time, time they reach up to the stall trap, they next lofts have 6 or 10 a piece! WHICH happens week in and week out especially in fast time, A birds doing 1760ypm will travel a quarter of a mile in 17 seconds, and regardless of silly crap, a manual clock takes that. Plus the very real fact that every week a bird gets handle, the chances increase that they get trap shy. Fact! Otherwise everyone would be able to rightly say ‘Never heard of, let alone a pigeon becoming trap shy’ just an over eager split second can even cause it! Fact. So you say ‘Try harder and do more to better the competition! Pss! Pss! Dick head the opposition don’t, nor haven’t let up because they have a ET timer! Nor have they taken the foot of the pedal to let the manual clock a bit of leeway. FAR from it, if anything they are even more keen, and far more keener quickly that the Manual clock that should get a few cards, but is getting none. 6 birds each adjacent lofts 12 all land together and shoot through the traps. Whereas once the first 5 places could be fairly divided up, now the Et timer has the first 6 and the once card haver has none. So please no more stupid remarks about Getting birds home and the ET won’t help, that is a down right lie! No more silly spats about ‘Do as I do and buy one’ Many – especially those with Mortgages, kids CAN’T. But then you all know that! Just some don’t want to have it acceptable because it doesn’t SUIT their’ purposes. Finally Neve bother to tell the manual clocker the benefits of the ET! They know them only too well. :-/ :'( :'( Yes, regardless of it's undeniable benefits, it is unfair till everyone has it, and it will- has already- having a great price laid upon it with so many packing up. Yeah some may well have... and the ET just swung the balance to pack up. Now that is sad in this sport when, like many other, it needs every member, help it can get, and many other sports / past times are 'Home, Less chores, caring and time consuming at a LOWER cost to the pocket, and dare I say it to the family.
Guest Vic Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Wise Words! Roland, I have decided that unless I get one allocated through the lottery grant. I will carry on using my STB. I offered guys around here, all the details of what the successful Jocks used to win the day, thanks to clocky. Nobody seemed interested enough to take it up, yet some members within our club have bought the system themselves since. We in the Norris Green area would have got it without doubt, due to the very boring life (their excuse) that some of our young ones are experiencing at present. Yes, I live only 50 yds away from the Strand wher the Nogger heads spend most of their time. But getting back to the ETS system, the sort of racing I enjoy is channel racing, where the birds are spread out more, and will not affect club racing as much, Amal? Yes, but what the hell!
just ask me Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 my belief on ets it will make things fairer to tell u the truth well i race sprint races and a lot of races are won on the trap and i think the more committed or experienced fanicers have there birds more under control or tamer what i think happens is after the inexperienced fancier catches his bird a few times it not as likely to trap as fast next time so i really it benefits the less experienced fancier i know i will get it as soon as but would suit me better if it never came in at all
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Well Just Ask Me, that is a very fair and honest contribution. Gives the slant too, which most of us knew, that the better fancier through patience often gain a few very much appreciated seconds. Never heard of course the novice, lesser fancier complain nowtt though. Too many, unfortunately, have ruin protentially good birds at the traps through impatience myself included.
peterpau Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 thank god we have the choice :-/ Couldn't agree more yes I will have one eventually, but it don't worry me, cos I love to race 500+/771 mile.
Guest bigda Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 always the have nots, :-/want to control the have"s, ;Dand the haves havent , :Dstoped the have nots from :X having. ;D
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 always the have nots, :-/want to control the have"s, ;Dand the haves havent , :Dstoped the have nots from :X having. ;D There we go, the bigot crap about the stupid trying to convert the converted needlessly.... about things not said, thought about let alone said. Yes Bigda you do have a problems... understanding seems one of them! LIKE the post is about eerr umm er 'Why do we climb out the woodworm and spout , try to defend with irrelevant crap whenever the ET is mention, whether good bad, indifferent or becuase the the topic actually states the post is about ''Why do we climb out the woodworm and spout , try to defend with irrelevant crap whenever the ET is mention, whether good bad, indifferent or becuase the the topic actually states when the post is about :-/ 'Why do we climb out the woodworm and spout , try to defend with irrelevant crap whenever the ET is mention, whether good bad, indifferent or becuase the the topic actually states when the post is about :-/ 'Why do we climb out the woodworm and spout , try to defend with irrelevant crap whenever the ET is mention, whether good bad, indifferent or becuase the the topic actually states such :-/ ... golly called inferior worried complex. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Club meeting tonight .... To think I'm going to drive 40 odd miles tonight to hear some senseless twallop when I could just put up a heading 'ET's' and leave it blank and wouldn't have to move out me warm chair ... :-/ :o ;D ;D ;D
ChrisMaidment08 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 must be awefully nice to have such a high opinion roland thank god im stupid and cant answer youer comments im goilng to hold poll to see if others have same problem getting sleepy when reading youer comments ;) :P :P ;D ;D ;D :X :X
Pompey Mick Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Pigeon Racing is a competitive sport, not a Womans Institute knitting circle. ETS is a legal form of clocking. It is way the Sport is going eventually whether we like it or not. Lack of demand for 'conventional clocks' will kill off the clockmakers, likewise the production of rubbers will either stop or be dramactically reduced. I'm afraid its something that a lot of pigeon fanciers find very hard to accept, and that is progress. I haven't read in any papers the 'unfairness' of the millions of pounds that were spent perfecting the state-of-the-art racing cycles that enabled our cycling team to cover themselves in glory, far from it. They way they applied progressive methods to their sport to help legally improve their competitiveness was applauded and celebrated throughout the land. I dont think they would have received the same accolades had they said, that in order to be on the same level as the competitor from Tristan Da Cunha, they will be using a Raleigh with Sturmey Archer gears. Thats what competive sport is all about, legal competition with modern technology attached
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Don't want to change the topc here, so will post to Chris on the other topic.
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Mick and just what -* outside of confirming the very essence about you Pro Et's spout not wanted, asked for ET on a topic page asking exactly why do they have to keep spouting A. things we all know, and B. When it is completely irrelevant to the posts, and topi.? :-/ :-/ No wonder the club / fed meeting etc. are so hard, and even more why no one wants to take a post up! Geesshhhhh
ajw2255 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 So what exactly is the point of this topic, is it just for people to agree with you as you seem to ignore anyone that disagrees with you
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 ajw2255 simple, why do they / you insist on defending a ruling already in place. Why do they regardless of the topic, whenever RET comes up the same old well known drivel comes out . NOW ajw2255 when there is no call for it, no one is attacking it, or no is getting up protitions or moaning about it. YET every time the post is ruin. One may ask. Why and what advantages does one have over another' 'Which ET is preferred'? Then after a few replies the PRO mobbed are banging on about any and every repeted crap scenario from from how good they are, who jealous, no advantage just because one can't time in as fastt etc. etc. You wanna be there to time your bird in ... YOU don't have to be now. Heard them all. So the point is, wouldn't just once be nice to be able to put pointer as to which is the best, and why withoiut all the crap!!! Golly if someone is getting a bank loan for one, surely they are entitled to read some info with out all the crap crap!!! Yes? No? No one gets a proper answer, only slanted aquasations. That helps no one
Guest bigda Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 So what exactly is the point of this topic, is it just for people to agree with you as you seem to ignore anyone that disagrees with you here here mate you have sussed him out ;D
ajw2255 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 ajw2255 simple, why do they / you insist on defending a ruling already in place. Why do they regardless of the topic, whenever RET comes up the same old well known drivel comes out . NOW ajw2255 when there is no call for it, no one is attacking it, or no is getting up protitions or moaning about it. YET every time the post is ruin. One may ask. Why and what advantages does one have over another' 'Which ET is preferred'? Then after a few replies the PRO mobbed are banging on about any and every repeted crap scenario from from how good they are, who jealous, no advantage just because one can't time in as fastt etc. etc. You wanna be there to time your bird in ... YOU don't have to be now. Heard them all. So the point is, wouldn't just once be nice to be able to put pointer as to which is the best, and why withoiut all the crap!!! Golly if someone is getting a bank loan for one, surely they are entitled to read some info with out all the crap crap!!! Yes? No? No one gets a proper answer, only slanted aquasations. That helps no one I dont visit the forum very often so i havent noticed this as much as you have obviously, but i agree that it shouldnt be brought up in the situations you mention. If someone asks which ETS make is best, the only discussion should be the pros and cons between the ETS systems and manual clocking shouldnt even enter the conversation with regards to the ETS. have to agree with you there.
chris vasey Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 ajw2255 simple, why do they / you insist on defending a ruling already in place. Why do they regardless of the topic, whenever RET comes up the same old well known drivel comes out . NOW ajw2255 when there is no call for it, no one is attacking it, or no is getting up protitions or moaning about it. YET every time the post is ruin. One may ask. Why and what advantages does one have over another' SO WHATS YOUR POINT?????
stokey Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 im a disabled fancier and race pigeons for 25 years,i had a car accident going work,ive used the t3s for 15 years and never moaned about loosing time,ive done alright with my birds.so this year i decided to buy the ets,i asked the club if it was alright,and you should of seen there faces,members on about packing in,im gaining 20 secs,ive lost 20-30secs every week and still won. they want take a ggod look at there selves because they are nothing but living in the dark ages.
stokey Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 sorry i didnt mention iwas in a wheel chair
Guest spin cycle Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 i don't think anyone could deny ets to disabled fanciers...or any other fanciers. but what should have been something that took the sport foward has set it back. in my opinion this is because the pro ets lobby would not compromise and as result 'uniformity' in clocking that the rpra aspired to in 2005 was replaced in 2008 with 'approved'. because the ets was introduced by emergency powers against an 80 % agm vote and because the original legal advice was not made available the suspicion will remain that the real 'driver' for ets was not the dda but in fact commercial interest. we've seen emergency powers (rule 142) used to 'snuff' out any attempt to compromise on time penalties, pads etc....again was this under legal threat and from whom ? we've seen the rules altered to try and force club officials to accept ets against their will....why ? credit to the ets companies for their finance deals but some further simple temporary compromises would disarm the anti ets brigade...these could then be phased out over time as more people switched....until then roland will always 'have a point' JMO
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 im a disabled fancier and race pigeons for 25 years,i had a car accident going work,ive used the t3s for 15 years and never moaned about loosing time,ive done alright with my birds.so this year i decided to buy the ets,i asked the club if it was alright,and you should of seen there faces,members on about packing in,im gaining 20 secs,ive lost 20-30secs every week and still won. they want take a ggod look at there selves because they are nothing but living in the dark ages. And your point. Nothing whatsoever to do with the post, or this topic. Steve I have seen your sportsmanship this past few days, and must say am not suprised one iota that you A. Don't understand the point. And B. you obviously wouldn't even if you could, which make the POINT exactly!
Roland Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Further my so - called gripe here has nnothing to do with ET's, the rights, good or bad or indiffernce... and that again is the VERY POINT! Most just don't want to understand, and try to make it another issue- which isn't relevant or needed, as usual. :-/ :-/The point is why!
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